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Today 04:50 PM
gigem75 Changing to the 195 AC brought it down (richer)
Thanks Ed, I had to go back and edit, I thought I had F15s but had F16s so I changed from 200 AC to 195 AC I have 190s and will try those tomorrow. As far as the mid range we'll see what the 190s do.
Today 04:09 PM
alfaparticle That is a fairly narrow rpm range. My test is hold it steady at about 2800 in 3rd and then step on it and get out at 7000. I understand that not everyone wants to take the motor to 7000 so you could back out at 6500. You are quite lean around 5000 and that must be costing a lot of torque there. I bet you would see a big dip in the torque curve if you had it on a dyno. I think that the F16's will make a significant change.
Today 02:37 PM
gigem75 I was half expecting to see a similar dip in the four thousands on mine. It is as I could tell just from looking at the gauge trending somewhat lean. Interesting that it's 12.67 at 59-6000 rpm and then jumps to 14.45 @ 6220 which is where I was shifting. It's a third gear run. I did get my ACs today and will try that and then the F16 tubes.
This is with 135 mains, F15 tubes, and 200 AC
Upon further inspection I already had the F16 tubes in and comparing the two I am leaving the 16s in. The 15s have holes at the top and mid as well as the lower ring of holes while the 16s just have the lower ring of holes. So it's the 195 or 190 Air Correctors tomorrow.
Yesterday 09:27 AM
alfaparticle This is a copy of my post to the 79 spider on the dyno thread

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I soldered up the first set of 1 mm holes and I drilled another set at 3.9 from the top land - .5 mm lower than the first set. I manually read the data points from the Zeitronix logger and loaded them into Excel in order the make a clear comparison. My conclusion is that drilling the holes in the F16 tubes has not had much effect on the depth of the AFR dip at 4700 but it has raised the AFR on either side of the dip. The holes at 3.4 mm have had more effect below 4700 and the holes at 3.9 mm have had more effect above 4700 rpm.
10-16-2019 06:22 PM
65Sprint Your graph is prettier than mine... idle AFR is the same. I think you will find the logging capability well worth the cost. It would be almost impossible to set my emissions Dellortos up correctly without the ZT-2.
10-16-2019 05:51 PM
gigem75 Here is my first log. No rpm yet, that comes tomorrow. I told myself I would never learn another software program but alas, I must. To get the pretty stuff I had to import to Excel and then save as an image. Only problem is there are like 570 data points in the time axis but I figured out how to call out only a few for labels. The graph represents a idle and then a blip or two of the throttle. RPMs will be added tomorrow.
10-15-2019 04:12 PM
alfaparticle I seem to remember that he is grossly lean - high 14's. Smaller AC's will correct it if the main jet is not hopelessly small or the emulsion tubes are unsuitable. I suspect the latter.
10-15-2019 12:19 PM
Alfar7
Lean at 7000

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Mark Robinson is running F15's and his motor goes very lean towards 7000
That is also a result from long airhorns, But Mark is running a factory Airbox/intake I believe so a .5 to 1.0 reduction(smaller) in Air Corrector size should remedy that. Lean meaning over 13.7 or so)
10-15-2019 09:03 AM
alfaparticle
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top end in 3rd and 4th is still a little lean.
It may depend a little on cams but in my experience the leanest range is always around 6200 rpm and I use air correctors to set that. Beyond that I see a slow richening up to 7000. Mark Robinson is running F15's and his motor goes very lean towards 7000. I had a similar experience when I tried F9's.
10-15-2019 08:36 AM
gigem75 I just talked to the Innovate guy and to log RPM as well I'd need what they call the SS-4. So it goes MTX-L (afr) to SS-4, to Pocket logger. With the SSI I have 3 more data channels to use for other data I might want to log at a future date. Basically the Pocket Logger last in the chain. Then take the SD card to the computer and bring it all into LogWorks software.
10-15-2019 08:20 AM
gigem75 Probably only in the Coupe with the Innovate. I doubt the Pocket Logger would have the same 4 pin connectors as the Zt2. If it did then the data would have to be in a format the Zt2 would recognize. I sure would be nice if it did.
I need to ask the Innovate folks if the gauge that reads vacuum, rpm, and MAP sensor data is the only one that will log RPM. There is no reason to buy something that uses a MAP sensor when I have no use for it. I'm sure it's a good part of the cost.
10-15-2019 07:23 AM
Alfar7
Pocket Logger?

I have a Zeitronix ZT2 in the Duetto and an Innovate in the Coupe. I wonder if the pocket Logger would work with both of them?
10-15-2019 07:14 AM
gigem75 Thanks. I'm asking to learn, nothing else. I don't think I said you were trying to make things richer. "I take it you are trying to lean out a specific rpm range?" and drilling holes in specific areas to do it. Which btw is pretty darn cool. I was thinking low holes = leaner at low rpm and visa versa but it's just the opposite. When I put the F16s in it appeared to richen the top end and it very well may have when compared to the F11s from before. I'm super happy with all ranges except the top end in 3rd and 4th is still a little lean. I might try soldering up one hole at a time in the 16s to add a little gas at the top end. Hopefully just there.
I ordered the Pocket Logger from Summit and it should be here in a couple of days. No rpm without spending 150 bucks so that will have to suffice for now. The pocket thingy was just 70 bucks and if I get a plot of AFRs worth every penny. I'll wait to do anymore runs until I see a graph. And thanks Ed for sharing I'm slowly getting there.
10-14-2019 06:51 PM
alfaparticle
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I thought Alfas were nimble?
It was on a narrow winding road with trees close to the road on both sides. Low light and driving briskly through tight turns and I barely saw it before I felt the bump.


I am not trying to make anything richer. My understanding is that holes make things leaner and high holes effect the low end and low holes affect the high end. I drilled holes 3.3 mm from the top and the weakening was centered at 3900. My rich dip is at 4700 so I relocated the holes a little lower. I filled the first set with solder and drilled a new set. I have a pin chuck that will grip very small drills and it is gripped in the chuck of my drill motor. Like this: Precise 3 Piece Pin Chuck Set - 3700-0501 - Penn Tool Co., Inc
10-14-2019 04:54 PM
gigem75 I thought Alfas were nimble?
I take it you are trying to lean out a specific rpm range? And are you using a dremmel to drill the holes? Maybe I'm getting something wrong but seeings how the F16 just has the holes around the bottom wouldn't the upper rpm range be richer? Which is what I'm trying to do. No braking and or emulsification of the fuel?
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