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05-31-2019 09:44 AM
Zagato_Olaf Quite a different car with that body!

Ciao, Olaf
07-27-2018 12:44 PM
Tom Frasca
Originally Posted by Peconga View Post
Here is a photo of an unknown vintage Alfa, with a couple simple questions: What is it? And where is it now?

I took this snapshot in September 1974 at the Kruse Brother's Auction in Auburn, Indiana. Unfortunately, I have long since lost the program from the auction, and have no other recollection* of the car (other than being surprised by how small it was).

Any takers?
- Peconga

* Other recollections of the weekend remain vivid, though, including the sound of a dozen Duesenbergs parading through downtown Auburn past the old Auburn-Cord factory. Amazingly, I was passed by two of them driving at speed on the Interstate later that evening, in addition to a matched pair of supercharged Cord 812s (a Westchester and a Phaeton). Hard to imagine that happening these days!
Looks French to me a one off Talbot-Lago T150 C??
07-27-2018 11:34 AM
PSk Lovely.

And yes I can see how some would be upset over such an old body being removed ...
07-27-2018 04:36 AM
Maserati 4CS 1114

The body in the original picture was not the original one fitted by Maserati but an 'updated' one fitted pre 1946. The car in this format competed at Prescott in '46 when owned by Henning. It originally had the only Brianza bodied 4CS and was shown on the 1932 Salone dell'Automobile. It was subsequently restored in the UK back to it's original 'Brianza' body style.

Lots of pictures of how it looks now are available on the web if you search for Brianza 4CS
07-26-2018 11:26 PM
PSk Surely whoever restored or rebodied it had an eye sight issue? ... not close to right. Sort of vaguely similar-ish is all I could give the effort.

07-26-2018 09:29 PM
Subtle A ten-year-old thread comes back to life!
07-26-2018 03:27 PM
Subject car of this thread

Chassis 1114. It no longer appeared the same as of 15 years ago.
07-26-2018 09:22 AM
Maser333 Definitely a 4CS Maserati folks, I can post chassis number details later if needed.
04-05-2008 05:03 AM
More pictures of the Maserati 4CS 1500 MM

Hello members,

A couple of extra pictures taken in the 'Rosso Bianco' museum while is was still open to the public and the cars were still there. You can view these pictures through the website Enrico's Maserati Page

Ciao, Olaf
03-19-2008 06:36 PM
Odin I don't believe, that this car is an Alfa. 6C 1500, or 1750 are higher, the 8C's have much longer bonnets and Wheelbase. I agree with your thinking of a Maserati 4 Cylinder.
03-19-2008 05:51 PM
Cris There were two things about the car that made me think "Maser" was the overall proportions of the car. It seemed a little too small to be an 8C (even though there are 8Cs with similar body work) and, well, yeah, that is definitely a Maserati badge on the grille shell there. You can tell by the proportions and the colors.

I suppose there's a chance that it's a rebodied 1500 Alfa but I imagine if the people at Kruse turn up a record of the car it will point towards the car being 1123 or one of its kin.

Regardless, thanks for posting that photo; great to see a car in that condition.

03-19-2008 08:28 AM
Subtle Interesting research + + +
03-19-2008 08:14 AM
Peconga Thank you Chris and Olaf for pointing me in a new direction with this "Alfa", which is looking more and more like a Maserati Tipo 4CS 1100 , possibly chassis #1123 before it was rebodied in 1977 (and then again in the 1990s). I always thought it was a special bodied Alfa Romeo, since that is what I wrote on the back of the snapshot. But that was 34 years ago and could be a lapse of memory. The photo is too indistinct to make out the badge on the nose, but under a loupe it looks like it could be either an Alfa or a Maserati Trident logo. See this link for Detail description of #1123 on

There were only thirteen of the Tipo 4CS cars made in two seat configuration, with 1100 and 1500 engines (Count Giovanni "Johnny" Lurani routinely swapped engines in one of his in order run in different classes). Hence I was able to work backwards through a process of elimination to zero in on #1123 as the most likely candidate. Another possibility would be a re-bodied Tipo 4CM (monoposto = single seat) but so far they all seem to be accounted for.

There is a striking similarity between the unknown "Kruse" car and the second car above (#1124, with closed fenders), which is the well-known ex- Briggs Cunningham / Rosso Bianco Collection car which sold at Bonham's Monaco auction in May 2006 for €643,000. It was originally made for the 1935 Mille Miglia; see the following link with
Details in Bonham's program notes for #1124

In addition to the usual printed sources (principally Orsini & Zagari's book) there is a lot of fascinating detail in a thread on 4CS and 4CM on forums where I have also posted some inquiries, which may lead to some more definitive answers. Meanwhile there is a chance that the Kruse people may find some more materials in their archive which will shed some light on things.

The only thing better than a good mystery, is seeing it solved. And I think we're getting closer.

03-19-2008 03:41 AM
Maserati 4CS MM

Originally Posted by Cris View Post
It looks like a Maserati of some sort, possibly a 4CS, maybe Brianza-bodied.


Or more like this?

Ciao, Olaf
03-19-2008 03:17 AM
Maserati 4CS

Originally Posted by Cris View Post
It looks like a Maserati of some sort, possibly a 4CS, maybe Brianza-bodied.

Hi Cris,

Something like this?

Ciao, Olaf
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