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post #1 of 21 (permalink) Old 09-27-2012, 01:58 AM Thread Starter
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Opinions on 156 V6 Sportwagon or 147 GTA

Two Months ago I crashed my teenage dream car by having to miss someone on MY side of the road. They didnt bother to stop to see how I was. My Integrale is now gone and Im thinking of a 156 V6 Wagon or a 147 GTA as a replacement. The wagon is by no means the rip snorting beast the Integrale was but I am looking at it as a daily driver rather than the Sunday driver that the Integrale was. The 147 GTA is an option as well but they are quite a bit more expensive. Dont want a 4 cyl, only a V6. That noise is just so so so lovely. If a 147 GTA, wont even look at the Selespeed. (YES, you do get a V6 Selespeed in the GTA's) So, its a 2.5 Wagon in Manual or the 4 speed Aisin Auto box. If its a 147 GTA its the 6 Speed Manual only. Out of the wagons I like the face lift 156 V6 Wagon (looks like a 159) the most but have not seen many for sale. Im in no rush to buy something as I have a company car and I keep a constant eye on Trade Me and Turners. Anyone know of any GOOD ones for sale?
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post #2 of 21 (permalink) Old 09-28-2012, 01:30 AM Thread Starter
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Well, some car dealer in Auckland has listed a 2004 GTA on Trade Me. Asked a Question about if it had a Q2 diff fitted as they spit the standard ones out if they dont. The guy must have been having a bad week as he has blacklisted me which deletes the question so it does not show up.

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The wagon is by no means the rip snorting beast the Integrale was but I am looking at it as a daily driver rather than the Sunday driver that the Integrale was. The 147 GTA is an option as well but they are quite a bit more expensive. Dont want a 4 cyl, only a V6. That noise is just so so so lovely. If a 147 GTA, wont even look at the Selespeed.

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If I were you, (and yes I know this is an Alfa forum but still...) I'd wait for another Integrale to come up. Have seen several on TM fairly recently. I have known of several people having plenty of trouble with their 156's and not just with the slush-box. I actually successfully pleaded a case, with my wife, to get my Alfa 105 by arguing that the more modern alfas weren't as reliable! (flame suit "ON")

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I actually successfully pleaded a case, with my wife, to get my Alfa 105 by arguing that the more modern alfas weren't as reliable! (flame suit "ON")
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The wagon is by no means the rip snorting beast the Integrale was but I am looking at it as a daily driver rather than the Sunday driver that the Integrale was. The 147 GTA is an option as well but they are quite a bit more expensive. Dont want a 4 cyl, only a V6. That noise is just so so so lovely. If a 147 GTA, wont even look at the Selespeed.
You can't beat an Alfa V6 for sound. We have three of them.

What model Integrale did you have? I would love to add one of those to my collection.

Current Alfas
2010 159 ti 1750 TBI sedan (red).
2004 GT 3.2 V6 (Stromboli Grey).
2008 159 TI Sportwagon 2.4 JTDM (Stromboli Grey).
1987 75 3 litre (red). My first 75 and now my son's.
2000 156 2 litre Twin Spark, ( Cosmos Blu metallic), my daughter's car.
2000 156 Monza Twin Spark, (Cosmos Blue metallic), son’s girlfiend’s car.
1999 GTV 3 litre 24 valve V6, metallic black, (son’s new car).

Non Alfa
1988 Range Rover Classic Highline 3.9 V8

Past Alfas
1989 75 3 litre, written off by runaway van.
1990 75 3 litre Potenziata (black), now sold & living in Newcastle NSW.
1990 75 3 litre Potenziata (grey, sadly deceased due to fire).
1982 GTV 2 litre, red, (daughter's first Alfa)
2 x 1992 164s, (1 red, 1 grey).
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My dad and I picked up his 156 V6 6-speed a few months ago. The car was in pretty rough shape. But the engine and gearbox made you forgive all its faults.

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If I were you, (and yes I know this is an Alfa forum but still...) I'd wait for another Integrale to come up. Have seen several on TM fairly recently. I have known of several people having plenty of trouble with their 156's and not just with the slush-box. I actually successfully pleaded a case, with my wife, to get my Alfa 105 by arguing that the more modern alfas weren't as reliable! (flame suit "ON")
Im wanting to change the "type" of car. The integrale was GREAT but only when you took it out for a hiding. You always came back with a smile (well except the last time for me) As a daily driver it was harsh, thirsty and really not that nice but my god was it fun when you could drive it as it was designed to be driven.

I have also a 1974 Alfa Spider so dont need any more "classics"

Had a look at the newish GT but I just think they have a ugly bum.

My Integrale was a 1990 16V but not an Evo. It looked more like an evo as the bumpers and side skirts had been properly colour coded like the Evo, rather than the typical black which does date them
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post #9 of 21 (permalink) Old 10-15-2012, 10:38 PM
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Hey mark,

Sorry to hear about the Integrale. I hear what you're saying about changing the type of car, especially if it's to be a daily-ish driver.

+1 on the comment above about older Alfas being more reliable. Unless you're going for something real late model, then the older ones are hard to beat (disclaimer: if you get a good one!!). My 75 just keeps chugging along and you do see the occasional 3litre 75 come up for sale, so I'd think they're worth considering. Provided of course you don't mind the looks. Personally I'm of the opinion that if I'm driving it, I don't have to look at it.

Then there's the old GTV6, but good ones are hard to find, and bad ones will rinse out your bank account faster than a blonde with a shoe fetish.

Good luck, it's always fun looking around, especially when you have the luxury of time.

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I am in the process of maybe buying a 2008 159 TI 2.4 JTDM Sportwagon for my wife to drive and for our long trips. My wife currently drives our 164 which has been very good, but I thought she deserves a nice newer car. She loves 159s. I think they have timeless looks and look great from every angle. Hopefully we can sell the 164. My daily driver will continue to be my 75 Potenziata, which I love. I will let you guys know how I go with that.

Current Alfas
2010 159 ti 1750 TBI sedan (red).
2004 GT 3.2 V6 (Stromboli Grey).
2008 159 TI Sportwagon 2.4 JTDM (Stromboli Grey).
1987 75 3 litre (red). My first 75 and now my son's.
2000 156 2 litre Twin Spark, ( Cosmos Blu metallic), my daughter's car.
2000 156 Monza Twin Spark, (Cosmos Blue metallic), son’s girlfiend’s car.
1999 GTV 3 litre 24 valve V6, metallic black, (son’s new car).

Non Alfa
1988 Range Rover Classic Highline 3.9 V8

Past Alfas
1989 75 3 litre, written off by runaway van.
1990 75 3 litre Potenziata (black), now sold & living in Newcastle NSW.
1990 75 3 litre Potenziata (grey, sadly deceased due to fire).
1982 GTV 2 litre, red, (daughter's first Alfa)
2 x 1992 164s, (1 red, 1 grey).
2 x 1988 33s, (both red).
1985 GTV 2 litre, (white).
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post #11 of 21 (permalink) Old 11-19-2012, 07:57 PM Thread Starter
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Bought a 147 GTA

Flew down to Wellington yesterday and had a look at a 147 GTA that was advertised on Trade Me. It would be nice to get a "as new" car but Im a realist, it does have a couple of faults but generally pretty good. What I do like is that its not the common Silver, Red or Black. Its Blue with blue inserts in the black leather. Manual, 81K, NZ new, Belt & pump done, new tyres, full history, Std Diff (so will be doing a LSD soon). Dont you love some "Alfa Specialists", the last one has put the top engine mount in the WRONG WAY, and it even says on it which way to stick it in. So I bit the bullet and purchased it and drove it 7 hours to its new home. Let the fun beguin
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post #12 of 21 (permalink) Old 11-23-2012, 05:19 PM
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Congrats on the purchase and what a way to start with a long road trip. They do look sharp in the blue and your car seemed to be in pretty good condition from what I saw on trademe. I smiled when I read the Lancia was thirsty and harsh but a lot of fun. By my standards my GTA is thirsty and harsh and a lot of fun but I have never driven an Integrale. I am convinced that there is a large leak in the fuel tank when I'm driving around town as the gauge moves down soooo quickly, I've found it's pretty good on a longer trip on the open road though. After 18 odd months ownership it still makes me smile every time I drive it (only about once a week) and I'd have to spend 2 or 3 times more to get a car I'd rather have.

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Wow, my GTA is now a lot less harsh over bumps, understeers less, is quieter and handles better. I'm $1000 poorer due to a set of Goodyear F1 asymetrics but what a difference they make to the car! Money well spent

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Please pardon my ignorance, but what is a 2010 Pinarello Dogma 60.1 when it's at home?

Current Alfas
2010 159 ti 1750 TBI sedan (red).
2004 GT 3.2 V6 (Stromboli Grey).
2008 159 TI Sportwagon 2.4 JTDM (Stromboli Grey).
1987 75 3 litre (red). My first 75 and now my son's.
2000 156 2 litre Twin Spark, ( Cosmos Blu metallic), my daughter's car.
2000 156 Monza Twin Spark, (Cosmos Blue metallic), son’s girlfiend’s car.
1999 GTV 3 litre 24 valve V6, metallic black, (son’s new car).

Non Alfa
1988 Range Rover Classic Highline 3.9 V8

Past Alfas
1989 75 3 litre, written off by runaway van.
1990 75 3 litre Potenziata (black), now sold & living in Newcastle NSW.
1990 75 3 litre Potenziata (grey, sadly deceased due to fire).
1982 GTV 2 litre, red, (daughter's first Alfa)
2 x 1992 164s, (1 red, 1 grey).
2 x 1988 33s, (both red).
1985 GTV 2 litre, (white).
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