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Dog and Lemon on Alfa

If you are in need of a laugh here are some PDFs of the D&L on the Alfa Sud/Sprint and 164 for your reading pleasure....
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Quite depressing really
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Quite depressing really
I guess it works both way, when buying an Alfa the D&L being agin them means less other buyers = lower price but when selling it might put people off and then less buyers = lower selling price.

I am sure lots of Kiwis swear by it though???

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Take anything you read in that particular publication with a large quantity of grains of salt is my advice. The guy drives a Morris Oxford and gets his info from old factory recall bulletins and hearsay as far as I know. I don't think he is even a mechanic. I think that about the only cars he actually likes are a couple of BMWs and his Morris. He is very good at self promotion.

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2004 GT 3.2 V6 (Stromboli Grey).
2008 159 TI Sportwagon 2.4 JTDM (Stromboli Grey).
1987 75 3 litre (red). My first 75 and now my son's.
2000 156 2 litre Twin Spark, ( Cosmos Blu metallic), my daughter's car.
2000 156 Monza Twin Spark, (Cosmos Blue metallic), sonís girlfiendís car.
1999 GTV 3 litre 24 valve V6, metallic black, (sonís new car).

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Past Alfas
1989 75 3 litre, written off by runaway van.
1990 75 3 litre Potenziata (black), now sold & living in Newcastle NSW.
1990 75 3 litre Potenziata (grey, sadly deceased due to fire).
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Good point and well made
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Don't get too concerned. He says similar things about every car that is even half desirable to drive. His ideal car would be one as durable and as exiting as a TK Bedford truck.

I did note he said that all pre 79 Alfas needed fuel additive. Is he right and, if so, what additive?

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His ideal car would be one as durable and as exiting as a TK Bedford truck.
Or a Morris Oxford. About the only thing you can say about one of those is that it will occasionally get you from point A to point B.

Current Alfas
2010 159 ti 1750 TBI sedan (red).
2004 GT 3.2 V6 (Stromboli Grey).
2008 159 TI Sportwagon 2.4 JTDM (Stromboli Grey).
1987 75 3 litre (red). My first 75 and now my son's.
2000 156 2 litre Twin Spark, ( Cosmos Blu metallic), my daughter's car.
2000 156 Monza Twin Spark, (Cosmos Blue metallic), sonís girlfiendís car.
1999 GTV 3 litre 24 valve V6, metallic black, (sonís new car).

Non Alfa
1988 Range Rover Classic Highline 3.9 V8

Past Alfas
1989 75 3 litre, written off by runaway van.
1990 75 3 litre Potenziata (black), now sold & living in Newcastle NSW.
1990 75 3 litre Potenziata (grey, sadly deceased due to fire).
1982 GTV 2 litre, red, (daughter's first Alfa)
2 x 1992 164s, (1 red, 1 grey).
2 x 1988 33s, (both red).
1985 GTV 2 litre, (white).
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Again Rab he talks rubbish. The Alfa seats are stellite, the valves high quality and Alfas do not have valve problems caused by unleaded fuel. on the other hand his poxy old Morris Oxford with its cheapo BMC B series engine-cast iron head (and block)has its valve seats machined directly into the cast iron and they do suffer from valve recession without the heads being rebuilt to have harder material valve seats inserted.
In my vast experience the engineering and materials of Alfa Romeo mechanicals up to the time when Fiat had input in design were superior to most vehicles-they were "engineers cars". Only cars better being the pre Beta Lancias. In the `50`s `60`s `70`s and `80`s ordinary cars such as Fords, Holdens, Chevs, Austins etc including the Japanese really were crap made of cheap nasty materials, generally designed poorly with poor directional stability , poor brakes, poor handling, and rusted as badly if not worse than Alfas. Just go and drive what Joe Average drove then and you will appreciate the huge gulf that existed then between an Alfa and the ordinary.

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I didn't know about his Oxford which does really put him in his place, I have driven one and never have to again, however I think his stance is that if you want a reliable cheap to run car get something modern from Korea and he has a point, but we are a long time dead and would die of boredom quicker by taking that route.
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I didn't know about his Oxford which does really put him in his place, I have driven one and never have to again, however I think his stance is that if you want a reliable cheap to run car get something modern from Korea and he has a point, but we are a long time dead and would die of boredom quicker by taking that route.
I don't know if it is true that things like Kias are cheap to run. I have heard that parts are very expensive and that is how they make their profit. My carpet cleaner guy has an almost new Kia V6 van and it sheared a timing belt tensioner bolt, leading to the usual destruction. He was telling me that the cost of the parts alone was $6,700 and he hadn't got the labour bill yet! That makes it a lot more expensive to rebuild than my Alfa V6 has been.

Current Alfas
2010 159 ti 1750 TBI sedan (red).
2004 GT 3.2 V6 (Stromboli Grey).
2008 159 TI Sportwagon 2.4 JTDM (Stromboli Grey).
1987 75 3 litre (red). My first 75 and now my son's.
2000 156 2 litre Twin Spark, ( Cosmos Blu metallic), my daughter's car.
2000 156 Monza Twin Spark, (Cosmos Blue metallic), sonís girlfiendís car.
1999 GTV 3 litre 24 valve V6, metallic black, (sonís new car).

Non Alfa
1988 Range Rover Classic Highline 3.9 V8

Past Alfas
1989 75 3 litre, written off by runaway van.
1990 75 3 litre Potenziata (black), now sold & living in Newcastle NSW.
1990 75 3 litre Potenziata (grey, sadly deceased due to fire).
1982 GTV 2 litre, red, (daughter's first Alfa)
2 x 1992 164s, (1 red, 1 grey).
2 x 1988 33s, (both red).
1985 GTV 2 litre, (white).
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I bet he never hears or choses to ignore incidents like that. Hyundai gearboxes were another weakness at one stage that we got to hear about when I was selling new Nissans about 4 years ago.
I think though that at present it is correct that if a car is an appliance to you and minimisation of cost is the number one quality you seek you cannot go past the latest range (and evidently over the last 4 or so yrs) Hyundais.
Working in a motor group that sold Nissan, Toyota /Lexus and Volkswagen certainly reminded you there is no such thing as the perfect brand and Toyota especially, during this time, were rapidly falling.

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Oh great the D&L what a pile of rubbish as a guide for car buyers.

I once wrote to the guy in respect of the comments in the guide re the 156. He actually bothered to reply, almost apologetically, saying the only Alfa he had any first hand experience was a rusty Alfasud, and on that basis, hearsay etc, castigates all Alfas, Fiats, Lancias and probably most other in fact decent and interesting cars.

He conceeded that my experience in fact might be more the norm, that being my 156 hadn't suffered nor still hasn't from the crap that was written in the guide. Not though that despite his concessions, he has seen fit to re-appraise the comments in the guide.

Basically, I take no notice of the guide and reckon its only value is as a firelighter, in the same vein as yesterday's newspaper.

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The fact that he won't retract his statements and doesn't seem concerned about being wrong, just proves that he is only doing it to make money, which he does very successfully. The trouble is that the average, mechanically ignorant person treats the book as factual, rather than fictional. The other thing that worries me is that radio stations use him as an "expert authority".

Current Alfas
2010 159 ti 1750 TBI sedan (red).
2004 GT 3.2 V6 (Stromboli Grey).
2008 159 TI Sportwagon 2.4 JTDM (Stromboli Grey).
1987 75 3 litre (red). My first 75 and now my son's.
2000 156 2 litre Twin Spark, ( Cosmos Blu metallic), my daughter's car.
2000 156 Monza Twin Spark, (Cosmos Blue metallic), sonís girlfiendís car.
1999 GTV 3 litre 24 valve V6, metallic black, (sonís new car).

Non Alfa
1988 Range Rover Classic Highline 3.9 V8

Past Alfas
1989 75 3 litre, written off by runaway van.
1990 75 3 litre Potenziata (black), now sold & living in Newcastle NSW.
1990 75 3 litre Potenziata (grey, sadly deceased due to fire).
1982 GTV 2 litre, red, (daughter's first Alfa)
2 x 1992 164s, (1 red, 1 grey).
2 x 1988 33s, (both red).
1985 GTV 2 litre, (white).
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oz3litre wrote The trouble is that the average, mechanically ignorant person treats the book as factual, rather than fictional.Exactly and for most people the $10 it costs is a cheap way of getting an idea of what is a good car or not before hitting the wonderful world of car yards or the perils of online car buying, so despite what we might think of it he is listened to. The only reason I got the PDFs was through buying VIN reports through CarJam. They now give you a free D&L review of the model of the car you check.....most of my cars carry an "Avoid Like the Plague" recommendation

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I have just had a look at the PDF's, "twin rotor distributor on T/S 164 " ? yes it is very expensive to replace but those only came on mid sixties GTA's . Cam belts difficult and expensive to replace on Suds ? wasn't whem I did it, indeed the reports are full of inaccuracies.
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