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105 NZ compliance

I've just imported my Alfa 105 series GTV 2000 1975 from Australia, and have taken it to be entry certified. It came back not too bad. A little bit of rust to be taken care of, but also a couple of worrying issues. According to the compliance centre, it needs:

1. A high mounted brake light
2. Noisy exhaust to comply

Surely that's bollocks?

And what about the compliance process? Now that I've got the reject checklist from the AA, I understand that I need to go to another compliance guy, then to the repairer, then back to the compliance bloke, then the AA. Is that right? Anybody else gone through the process?

And now the rust. Any recommendations for rust repairs and repainting for classic cars?

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Hi Paul...

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bollocks?
Sounds like a fairly accurate description of the process!

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And now the rust. Any recommendations for rust repairs and repainting for classic cars?

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There are a couple of very good places around.... where are you located?

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I'm in Auckland.

And what about the high stop light and exhaust note compliance? I thought classic cars were exempt? Anyone else failed a warrant due to the raspy Alfa exhaust note?

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Very confusing,

My nz new 87 GTV6 has a rowdy exhaust and no high stop light.
Might pay to get a 2nd opinion.

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High stop light is normal fitting for all imports no matter what age, maybe vintage cars different. Spec of NZ new cars of same or newer model has absolutely no bearing on what is needed for an import, logic does not come into it.
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As H-P said, I think that the high level stop light is mandatory for all cars. Although if you find a helpful compliancing outfit they let it go - they did when I brought the spider in. Failing on a loud - but non leaking exhaust is way OTT.

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I`m sure they have a certain minimum decibel level that is the test standard. My advice is to live with it, conform and then revert back if not happy. The important thing is how much is the exceedence-it would have had to be measured on a decibel meter so they will have a precise figure (and did they measure outside or inside plus how far away from the exhaust termination was it measured?)
The high stop is a requirement to all but I think pre war cars but again go onto the Land Transport website as I don`t know for certain what the cutoff age is but have an idea you may be short by 6 or so years.

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Unfortunately, if my assumption is right, I think you'll find that the requirement for a high-stop light will be based on the year of registration not on the year of manufacture...

It would be unusual for your vehicle to be tested subsequent to compliance so... although I did once have a relatively acrimonious exchange with a pushy little road-**** regarding the noise coming from my exhaust!

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MY 1964 Volvo needed a high stop light when imported so every 105 will need one, they can fall off later though and no one seems to notice.
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Thanks for your replies. Maybe I should see what the high stop looks like first, but the exhaust is a different story.

What about rust proofing and spray painting?
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How about a few pics?

If the car doesn't have the rear muffler, then the compliance guys probably have a case , so get a 'Quiet' resonator installed.

It might useful if AROCNZ could get compiled (from their members ?), a table of 'original' exhaust noise levels for the government to benchmark classic alfas against. Mind you 95dB is still very loud and something must be wrong if you're exceeding that!.

Regardless the proposed Vehicle equipment rules define what is acceptable and then even if you get past the compliance, later on, any Cop or WOF w***ker can force you to have a $150 Objective Noise Test done if they think you're too loud.
It might even pay to have a LVV certifier sign it off once and for all

From what I can Google The limits are
Drive-by = 81 dB
Stationary
- first registered in New Zealand before 1 June 2008 = 95
- first registered in New Zealand on or after 1 June 2008, and:
- manufactured* before 1 January 1985 = 95 dB
- manufactured* on or after 1 January 1985 =90dB

Draft Land Transport Rule: Vehicle Equipment (Noise) Amendment [2009] Rule 32017/4 | NZ Transport Agency

Your vehicle has failed a warrant of fitness because of a noisy exhaust | NZ Transport Agency

Plenty of fish hooks in the system so please advise how you get/got on
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... logic does not come into it.
Absolutely.


PaulOLoughlin,

Paul be very careful and make sure you do not p!ss anybody off with this process.

I have heard, through my father (who still lives in NZ, like the rest of my direct family) of a Triumph TR6 that they made the owner take the chassis by itself in to get checked (now I do not know if they made him remove it, after the car was restored or ... ?) . If that was not unusual enough they supposedly made him cut the chassis in half so they could check the wall thickness because they could not assertain that it was not rusty on the inside.

My suggestion to you is do the stop light and chuck a muffler on, get the car comlianced and get the heck away from them asap. You got off extremely lightly, so consider yourself very lucky and I hope the rest of your driving experience in NZ is far more enjoyable.

I dread the day that I try and do the opposite over here (in Australia) with my 1750 ... technically speaking (or so I've been told) over here you are not allowed to drive a car with anything but a dead standard exhaust, but of course many people don't. I rang an exhaust place once to purchase some pipe and they said I would be breaking the law if I welded it on myself ... ***???. Maybe we should swap notes .
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....anything but a dead standard exhaust.....
Recommend Classicalfa (or other UK supplier) for a complete (or part) system

I got one ( from 2 into 1 pipe through to tailpipe incl. 3 mufflers and chromed outlet), with a fitting kit (rubbers / clamps etc), and also with a second hand gearbox hanger bracket all up freighted to NZ for around NZ$500.... and the box was big enough to load up with a few other goodies for little extra freight cost.
So much cheaper than the local exhaust shops could do it for (~1/2 price).. Plus I guess you could call it standard to satisfy the noise .....inspectors!?

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I dread the day that I try and do the opposite over here (in Australia) with my 1750 ... technically speaking (or so I've been told) over here you are not allowed to drive a car with anything but a dead standard exhaust, but of course many people don't. I rang an exhaust place once to purchase some pipe and they said I would be breaking the law if I welded it on myself ... ***???. Maybe we should swap notes .
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Yeah - I;ve been reading the ADR check list stuff - and it says words to the effect that they will fail it if it doesn't have an exhaust identical to that on a car that was complied. Then it has a note to say that fitting extractors doesn't make it non-compliant... *** indeed - I'm thinking 4/2/1 extractors with the secondaries merging just in front of a stock rear muffler should be fine - right

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