Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Christchurch, New Zealand
Thanks Haden-give me a call -you`ve got my number haven`t you?
Aaron, I agree that the appeal and value of that GTV6 would be enhanced by removing the stripes and windscreen sticker but if you want a sound rust free example ready to just drive away and with sympathetic, arguably desirable ,modifications -the slight lowering & Konis-where are you going to find another?
I have I guess a rose-tinted view of 116s but having owned loads of cars-all supposedly better than the average (a Ferrari, Porsches, BMWs, Mercedes, Lancias, Jaguars. Rolls Royces, and MGs, numerous Fiats, Audis etc) essentially what you are getting with an Alfetta is Ferrari (unfortunately not old Lancia) engineering with sexy looks but cheapo interior. The mechanical layout is a no compromise engineer`s car using the best of materials available at the time just like contempory Ferrari and Porsche . Just strip a 116 and look at the fasteners in the mechanicals, spec the valves, the metallurgy in the mechanicals, check out the castings and machining. If you don`t believe me check out an ordinary car of the time. The engineers pushed the cost accountants out of the way-no cheap solutions here (pre Fiat owned Lancia were even worse) No wonder both manufacturers effectively went bust producing expensive cars and selling below true cost.
Time has also made the performance seem ordinary but reread old road tests like for instance the Australian mags of the time even of the 1st 2 litre GTV`s with the soft cam profiles performance figures were ahead of most cars available.
Check out performance figures against contempories and have a look at GTV6 figures, not the wanky 0-60 but real figures like in gear figures and you will see the GTV6 is one of the fastest performers available bar none. Couple that to the 116`s big brakes and stable handling (no treachery like Porsches and BMWs of the time on the limit) and it made a 116 one of the faster road cars of their era point to point.
105`s are a well sorted vintage car and are more sporting in feel but a 116 will always beat it in everything stock v stock.
Re the gear change-you guys ever driven a Ferrari? The Ferrari`s I have driven possessed a slow quite ponderous gearchange. The Porsche 911`s I had possessed a gearchange a little like the Morris/Austin 1100`s. I had the opportunity, after I had tuned it in my workshop ,of driving a DeTomaso Panterra (ZF box) and that was awful too until you got used to it but a precise hot knife through butter gearchange it definitely was not. (Ford`s single rail gearboxes were very good)
A 116 in my eyes gentlemen is a "junior league" Ferrari (mechanical layout,exotic looks a exotic sounds, and a certain mystique) but much much better value for money and far more usable. They are undoubtably undervalued but as Aaron said, merely a market led commodity when it boils down to it,-what they are worth is what anyone is prepared to pay for it. too bad most haven`t cottoned on.
`65 Giulia Ti, `69 GT Junior, `74 GTV 2000, `76 Alfetta GTV, `77 Alfetta GTV, `81 Giulietta, `84 GTV6.