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post #31 of 56 (permalink) Old 08-17-2008, 08:05 PM
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Guys, Guys, Guys !!! Whoa there $18 K for a GTV6, especially with some go faster stripes and the windscreen border well that has to be worth something.

Hmn actually, I would remove them both and try selling for between $7K to $15K, dependant on condition. The price in Australian terms is definitely steep.

Mind you if you were to go to Used Cars - New Cars - Search New & Used Cars For Sale - carsales.com.au and look under private sales, you will find a 3.0L GTV6 for $30 K and a Grandprix version I think for around $25K. In my mind way over the top but if they can get the asking price, well good luck.

At the opposite end of the spectrum I have seen pretty dodgy, banged up specials for around $3K on ebay. Condition is paramount with an Alfetta since, while GTV6's are better in terms of rust protection than the early 116 cars they are not immune from the dreaded cancer. Also the build quality was variable re trims falling off, various mechanical issues etc etc.

Would I like one, well yes and no. Maybe as I love the sound of the V6 but at the same time I really can't stand the Alfetta gearbox. I have owned 2 Alfettas and driven heaps in my time. Personally give me a decent 105 coupe and perhaps a new ('98 -2000) GTV6 as both are possibly easier to live with and/or drive. Cheers Dave
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Aaron & Haden I think you guys are dreaming-Alfettas are undervalued. Look at the crap on Trademe advertised and compare. Check out the price of ****boxes like Australian stuff or Mk 3 Zephyrs/Zodiacs , Cortinas, Escorts etc etc. Alfettas are worlds apart in terms of engineering, quality of build, and performance, plus Alfa Romeo is a prestigious NOT a mundane brand.
116 values are climbing overseas and are beginning to be appreciated so a rust free car in good condition requiring no immediate body or mechanical attention has to be worth at least $15K. They are also of course the last of the Alfa Alfa Romeos.
Buy the Fiat Alfas loaded with the toys boys but because of *** imports and the degrading electronics in them and the fact they are essentially the same as every other modern car they are only going to go one way in value-DOWN.
Haden you still interested in those 164 parts?

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Richard-yes sorry forgot about you-yes-I see those items posted on Tm-would be kean on taking-c/lock solenoid, tail lamps, radiator and both those front lamps-and have a nose at whatever else you have?

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Thanks Haden-give me a call -you`ve got my number haven`t you?
Aaron, I agree that the appeal and value of that GTV6 would be enhanced by removing the stripes and windscreen sticker but if you want a sound rust free example ready to just drive away and with sympathetic, arguably desirable ,modifications -the slight lowering & Konis-where are you going to find another?
I have I guess a rose-tinted view of 116s but having owned loads of cars-all supposedly better than the average (a Ferrari, Porsches, BMWs, Mercedes, Lancias, Jaguars. Rolls Royces, and MGs, numerous Fiats, Audis etc) essentially what you are getting with an Alfetta is Ferrari (unfortunately not old Lancia) engineering with sexy looks but cheapo interior. The mechanical layout is a no compromise engineer`s car using the best of materials available at the time just like contempory Ferrari and Porsche . Just strip a 116 and look at the fasteners in the mechanicals, spec the valves, the metallurgy in the mechanicals, check out the castings and machining. If you don`t believe me check out an ordinary car of the time. The engineers pushed the cost accountants out of the way-no cheap solutions here (pre Fiat owned Lancia were even worse) No wonder both manufacturers effectively went bust producing expensive cars and selling below true cost.
Time has also made the performance seem ordinary but reread old road tests like for instance the Australian mags of the time even of the 1st 2 litre GTV`s with the soft cam profiles performance figures were ahead of most cars available.
Check out performance figures against contempories and have a look at GTV6 figures, not the wanky 0-60 but real figures like in gear figures and you will see the GTV6 is one of the fastest performers available bar none. Couple that to the 116`s big brakes and stable handling (no treachery like Porsches and BMWs of the time on the limit) and it made a 116 one of the faster road cars of their era point to point.
105`s are a well sorted vintage car and are more sporting in feel but a 116 will always beat it in everything stock v stock.
Re the gear change-you guys ever driven a Ferrari? The Ferrari`s I have driven possessed a slow quite ponderous gearchange. The Porsche 911`s I had possessed a gearchange a little like the Morris/Austin 1100`s. I had the opportunity, after I had tuned it in my workshop ,of driving a DeTomaso Panterra (ZF box) and that was awful too until you got used to it but a precise hot knife through butter gearchange it definitely was not. (Ford`s single rail gearboxes were very good)
A 116 in my eyes gentlemen is a "junior league" Ferrari (mechanical layout,exotic looks a exotic sounds, and a certain mystique) but much much better value for money and far more usable. They are undoubtably undervalued but as Aaron said, merely a market led commodity when it boils down to it,-what they are worth is what anyone is prepared to pay for it. too bad most haven`t cottoned on.

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I guess I knew this was coming when I started commenting on a "good" GTV6 such as this being over-priced and appearing to knock it, because as you say they are great cars, I just can't get past the 19k bit so I'm not knocking the car itself just the asking price. No, I haven't driven most of the cars you mention just quite a few RWD and FWD Alfas really.

I guess I think of the 105 series cars being in that price-league [15-20k] and the transaxled Alfas being the more affordable daily -driveable Alfas [that I can still afford ] [say the 5-10k bracket] but maybe this is the point at which they are beginning to rise in value?? hope so.......maybe the 90 will be my retirement fund?????

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Having I`m sure an age advantage over you Aaron I`ve seen it all before. I can remember when 105`s were cheap.
The point to remember is that these cars are the pinnacle of "old technology" before electronics and computer designed cars came to the fore. These cars are unique, not like every other manufacturers and are raw in feel, not sterile power assisted everything, electronically controlled transportation appliances.
They are also light and agile and fun to drive, sound special and are practical enough to be used daily. Hell they are not even thirsty compared to cars of the same age.
Looks, performance, successful motorsport history and manufactured by a famous Italian brand being progressively moved back upmarket to its former position are sure ingredients for a rise in value. Crikey they are even bloody old cars now-the first coupes are 33yrs old. the last 21.

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A 116 in my eyes gentlemen is a "junior league" Ferrari (mechanical layout,exotic looks a exotic sounds, and a certain mystique) but much much better value for money and far more usable. They are undoubtably undervalued Richard J

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Now, if you slap on four doors and throw a 75 badge on it's bum you'll have perfection ... 116 cars are downright common compared to the dozen or so 3.0 75s in NZ Unfortunately the value will never reflect that...

In my humble opinion 18K isn't unreasonable for an 'exceptional' 116!

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75`s are too ugly though-not dramatic and pretty like a GTV.
Seriously though talking of 3.0 75`s what happened to that black 3.0 75 that was advertised as being in Queenstown-was on Trademe for ages?

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1973 Gtv

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Mo...-172116332.htm

Love the colour, suits it strangely....and the chrome bumpers

It is GT though isn't it with the 1.8?

if only the location/timing was different quite hard to determine the condition with the quality of the photos though.

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Definitely a GT - the panels at the back with the slots rather than "GTV". Early GTs were 1800, later one (after the GTV came out) were 1600.

Unlikely to be 1973, I would have thought too - 75 -77?

Shame about the photos.

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75`s are too ugly though
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Seriously though talking of 3.0 75`s what happened to that black 3.0 75 that was advertised as being in Queenstown-was on Trademe for ages?
... It used to be the garage mate of mine and I seriously considered buying it but I'm pretty sure my wife would have something slightly less that plesant to say if I brought another one home!

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Love the colour, suits it strangely....and the chrome bumpers

It is GT though isn't it with the 1.8?

if only the location/timing was different quite hard to determine the condition with the quality of the photos though.
There are no alfettas on trademe for an age then all of a sudden this happens

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Mo...-172213560.htm

Anyone know much much it would cost to ship a car (or two) from welly

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There are no alfettas on trademe for an age then all of a sudden this happens

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Mo...-172213560.htm

Anyone know much much it would cost to ship a car (or two) from welly
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That Le Mans blue GT is a nice car-I`ve known the car for a long , long time. Quite original, in that it hasn`t been mucked around with and has always been tidy and looked after-its also been in Canterbury for at least 27yrs as it was owned by a friend of mine way back then when it was worth big money at the time being relatively new and pretty exotic. There weren`t many GT`s brought in and this one is an unusual factory colour-most being red or white. I have the remnants though of one of the Le Mans blue cars on my white `77 GTV as its obviously had a frontal and had the front radiator panel from a Le Mans blue GT welded in as the paint is flaking off revealing the truth.
These GT`s have different door cards (nicer) and of course no fake wood strip on the dash, no vents under the grille on the front panel, a fuel filler cap, grilles on rear quarter instead of GTV cover, and Alfetta script on hatch. Arguably like most originals it is closer to the designers intentions and "purer".
I like that wooden steering wheel on the Pernica blue GT though-wouldn`t mind that on one of my Alfettas.

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Hi all from over the over side of the Tasman. I too had a '76 Gt 1.8 and it was dark metallic blue (original colour). It is true that most came in red or white, but they also came in that horrible beige (light brown/yellowish colour) as well. In addition, from memory only some came with the wooden wheel. Mine did, but most had the typical plastic/vinyl wheel. Mine also had the campagnolo turbinas. The thing with the Gt was that it was only made if I recall for about 2 years before the GTV came out. Another difference is that the Gt didn't have the rubber over-riders on the bumpers unlike the 2L GTVs. My car sadly went to meet its maker, after I sold it. I have a soft spot for Alfetta's, especially the early cars and to some extent GTV6s. I would like to have another one (in good nick) and stick it away until Alfisti recognise them and value them like 105s. So many have been flogged to death or allowed to rust away. A real pity. The same is also true for the sedans, and again especially the early ones. I had one of these too. Cheers Dave
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*Puts hands over ears

The guy may split if he doesn't sell the 2 of them this time

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