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That's the point of fewer aero effects/contraptions. They moved around more on the track, more visible drifting, and certainly more fun to watch as the drivers applied their skills to control them in the turns. I miss those days, which I used to enjoy more.

Agree about the Eagle. M fav. Saw the car run at 1967 Monza before it retired. Today's cars are just plain stone ugly. The newer wider front wings are a kluge from the word go, just an add-on to try to counter the adverse effects of the other aero components.
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Oops. Don't know what happened there. Moved to the correct location.

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post #94 of 414 (permalink) Old 03-08-2019, 04:12 AM
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Look forward: Alfa means business this year in F1, also releasing street cars with F1 race liveries.

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Thanks for forwarding. I am glad to see a tighter tie-in between Alfa and their F1 team, but I am not sure I would want to purchase a car decked out with the F1 livery. It kind of reminds me of seeing a grown man walking around in a baseball or other sports team jersey. It works for going to the game, but not as daily apparel.
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IMO they'd all look even better w/white rims, including the F1 car!

I wonder if we'll get them in the USofA, & how much extra they'll cost?

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Looks like the "Alfas" are getting some positive comments from at least one former champion:

https://www.f1-fansite.com/f1-news/h...eid=32dc0ec269

I hope he's right, even if the only thing Alfa is the badge.

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Overall its a wrong comment, Alfa has taken over completely their F1 project and there is no mention of Alfa Sauber as in last year.

With regards to technology every team has their own specific car not like any other teams. So this year its an Alfa Romeo team with an Alfa Romeo car! If you refer to the engine, its quite normal for the other teams also to run with bought engines. Still its an Alfa Romeo project and not an Alfa badge on some other car!

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As much as we love the idea of that, and we are all excited about the Alfa Romeo F1 team, at this point it's a sponsorship / naming rights deal. We will be much more excited when there is an Alfa Romeo chassis under it, and maybe a joint venture Ferrari-Alfa engine in it. A team of Alfa Romeo engineers (remember, there aren't any anymore) developing the suspension. Until then we can just root for the logo and the colors.
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Mr Brawn speaks about the idea of returning to a long gone era........

"According to F1 sporting director and genius aerodynamicist Ross Brawn, the current car loses as much as half of its aero performance when following two car lengths behind. For the 2021 regulations, Brawn says they already have a design that reduces that number to 10% performance loss while following."

"Steps have been made for the 2019 regulations to reduce that aero performance dip by as much as one-third, which will hopefully translate to an increase in overtaking and an ability for drivers to fight on better footing. If this year’s racing results are a success, then that further reduction in aero penalty for 2021 sounds quite promising."

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“I’ve heard it commented that we should get rid of the wings and the downforce and just rely on mechanical grip and then the cars will be able to race each other,” Brawn told Motorsport.com. The problem with that is they’ll be slow. And the speed of the Formula 1 car is what takes your breath away."

"We don’t want to lose the speed of the Formula 1 car. We want it to be the fastest racing car on the planet, the most impressive racing car on the planet - and you can only do that by harnessing the aerodynamic performance. So I don’t think we can take a simplistic view and just get rid of all the downforce and think that’ll solve it."

"What we need is the downforce to be delivered in a way that cars can race each other. Overtaking can sometimes be used as the measure of success, but in fact close racing and the ability of cars to run behind each other and run side-by-side and get close and attack is the thing that everyone gets excited about. Even if it ultimately didn’t culminate in an overtaking being achieved - but they’re fighting each other."




So what they're saying is they don't dare get outclassed by other forms of racing. Lap speeds are paramount. The vacuum cleaners glued to corners are necessary to do that. If you want cars power sliding through mid-speed corners, you want some kind of retro racing, or F2, or Indycars, or Spec Miatas.

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I hope the cars look like that rendering. That is gorgeous!
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As much as we love the idea of that, and we are all excited about the Alfa Romeo F1 team, at this point it's a sponsorship / naming rights deal. We will be much more excited when there is an Alfa Romeo chassis under it, and maybe a joint venture Ferrari-Alfa engine in it. A team of Alfa Romeo engineers (remember, there aren't any anymore) developing the suspension. Until then we can just root for the logo and the colors.
I think you are having too high expectations that Alfa Romeo will make everything themselves to make a racecar. That will not happen any more, to have all the expertise and manufacturing in one house. If a dedicated manufacturer makes Your engine for you, so what. Ilmor made engines for Chevrolet and for Mercedes. We did not hear any one complaining that those were not the engines with the names written on them. Cosworth engines were also used in lot of different brands like Lotus, Lola etc. No one had problem with that. Anyway Sauber is going in the direction of being Alfa Romeos F1 racing team permanently, except Alfa has not bought them, like they owned Autodelta and Brabham. Time will show how more appetite Alfa will have after this season in F1 to invest more money in their project. But anyway Alfa Romeo Racing will stand on the entry list, not like last year when they wrote wrongly Ferrari Sauber in the results! Instead of Alfa Romeo Sauber.

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/14...a-romeo-racing

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Mr Brawn speaks about the idea of returning to a long gone era........

"According to F1 sporting director and genius aerodynamicist Ross Brawn, the current car loses as much as half of its aero performance when following two car lengths behind. For the 2021 regulations, Brawn says they already have a design that reduces that number to 10% performance loss while following."

"Steps have been made for the 2019 regulations to reduce that aero performance dip by as much as one-third, which will hopefully translate to an increase in overtaking and an ability for drivers to fight on better footing. If this year’s racing results are a success, then that further reduction in aero penalty for 2021 sounds quite promising."

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“I’ve heard it commented that we should get rid of the wings and the downforce and just rely on mechanical grip and then the cars will be able to race each other,” Brawn told Motorsport.com. The problem with that is they’ll be slow. And the speed of the Formula 1 car is what takes your breath away."

"We don’t want to lose the speed of the Formula 1 car. We want it to be the fastest racing car on the planet, the most impressive racing car on the planet - and you can only do that by harnessing the aerodynamic performance. So I don’t think we can take a simplistic view and just get rid of all the downforce and think that’ll solve it."

"What we need is the downforce to be delivered in a way that cars can race each other. Overtaking can sometimes be used as the measure of success, but in fact close racing and the ability of cars to run behind each other and run side-by-side and get close and attack is the thing that everyone gets excited about. Even if it ultimately didn’t culminate in an overtaking being achieved - but they’re fighting each other."




So what they're saying is they don't dare get outclassed by other forms of racing. Lap speeds are paramount. The vacuum cleaners glued to corners are necessary to do that. If you want cars power sliding through mid-speed corners, you want some kind of retro racing, or F2, or Indycars, or Spec Miatas.
If the FIA were honest they would admit to making a mistake when banning the Lotus 88. Ground effects solves the aero problem due to following another car immediately, and the twin chassis of the Lotus 88 solved the lack of suspension issue with the ground effect cars that made driving them so jarring. It also made the often broken wings cheaper, and permitted closer racing because the wings were smaller so they could bump and grind into each other without an end of race situation when a front wing looses a component.

AND it permits engineers to design their own car (maybe?), instead of having design restrictions so tight that F1 has become a single specification series, making the comments about Alfa Romeo racing their own chassis mute, because really for a quite a few years the FIA designs the chassis and engines, the teams just play with wing and paint scheme designs.
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2018 Season on Netflix

Not sure if this was discussed previously, but went back several pages and did not see it. This morning I was on Netflix looking for something to download that I could watch on a flight home. Saw a series called Formula 1 - Drive to Survive. Downloaded the first 3 episodes of 10 and watched them on my flights and layovers. It covers the 2018 season. While at first it appeared to be stressing the dangers of racing in F1 (and this does continue for the first episodes I watched), it is also an interesting look into the backstory of this racing series, including the thoughts of the parents of the drivers. Each seems to concentrate on one particular "rivalry," such as Ricardo and Verstappen, Alanso and Sietz, Williams and Renault, etc. Lots of "behind the scenes" shots and interviews with the principals involved with the topic of the espisode, as well as good racing from the English Sky1 feed.

Worth looking into if you have Netflix.

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Yes I am hooked on that Netflix series already. I have watched the first 3 episodes so far as well. I think they did a pretty darn good job on it. Hoping to watch episode 4 tonight! I want to get through it since it covers 2018 before we get too deep into this season.
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