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post #16 of 39 (permalink) Old 02-06-2018, 11:31 PM
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I reckon back in the day there were old guys complaining about the the 33 type race cars because they weren't open tops and didn't have tools and a mechanic on board. (And what's with the stupid helmets).
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This is different, as now what we have are boring races. Why get excited about acknowledged boring races? The racing has become irrelevant and immaterial.

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In fairness, as others have alluded to, by the time they got to the Alfa 33 TT12 which actually did quite a lot of winning, they weren't particularly pretty either.
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Now to me this is a pretty race car!

I`m watching the bidding! If it seems to be going for a reasonable amount (including the anticipated cost of my wife`s divorce atty) I might bid!

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I recorded the Rolex 24 and just finished watching the last few hours yesterday. It occurred to me that the race cars aren't pretty any more. Think about it - the Caddy DPi is functional, but it sure isn't pretty, certainly not like a 33 Stradale. And there was a time when people raced cars like a Sprint Speciale.

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Now to me this is a pretty race car!

I`m watching the bidding! If it seems to be going for a reasonable amount (including the anticipated cost of my wife`s divorce atty) I might bid!

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/19...adale-mark-ii/
OMG, that's one of Tom Zat's cars. He actually put a Nissan GTP engine in one of them and tried to race in IMSA. I didn't know any of them had a 3-liter Alfa engine.

Richard, based on what I read about the car, I hope you know someone on the Left Coast who can check it out for you.

Zat had an Alfa business in Wisconsin and could rightly claim to own several hundred Alfas - mostly wrecks/parts cars. But he also had quite a few interesting and running cars. He was once very active in AROC, then I think he got into old Army trucks. He built the first SSZ cars from Sprint Speciales, I think. Subsequently, I think he built them from scratch.

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The only races I have actually attended in more than 10 years are vintage races and the Runoffs. The Runoffs are probably the best racing anywhere, but the best looking cars, like Alfa Spiders and Jags, have disappeared. I write about the production classes, and they are full or Miatas and tin tops. So, to see beautiful race cars, you do have to watch vintage racing.
A couple of years ago we drove up to the TWS track to watch the SCCA races. I was with two former SCCA racers who, along with me, hadn't been to an SCCA race in years. We were curious to see what changes had occurred over the years. Wow were there changes. That day there were about 30 Miatas running nose-to-tail . . . lap after lap after lap. They might as well have been on a circle-track for all the "racing" they were doing. We left after spending less than an hour at the track.

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In racing, pretty is as pretty does. Aero often makes for some strange looking cars and most beautiful cars have poor aero qualities. Tracks such as Daytona and Le Mans favor good aero shapes.
I agree - they're all about airflow management. It isn't necessarily the slipperiest shape, it's massive cooling, intercoolers, downforce, drag, and stability at high speeds. The science seeks the maximum performance in all those areas, making the shape an odd compromise of extremely manipulated forms - look at all the bizarre fins and winglets all over an F1 car, and that weird tv antenna hoop on the back. The 919 was disappointing to me to look at, but it went like stink and was half rocket ship. The weird humpback look of Prototypes is all about safety rules and impact protection at extreme speeds. Now it's obsolete - PSK is right about nostalgia. And remember that unbelievable Audi crash early in a recent Le Mans race, and he stepped out of the shredded hulk and walked away? The same accident in the 60s was certain death.

It's all about the rules and maximizing advantage - we could write a new Formula class with an enforced zero (or maybe 100 lbs positive) downforce, no undertray, no external wings. We'd see shapes like the Gurney Eagle again. Tires and mechanical grip would determine how much horsepower you could actually use. But people are smart - they'll figure out how to make downforce that can't be measured in the inspections. Remember Smokey Yunick - the game will go on!

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SO much going on here. Shaver blades at the front, the needle nose, then slats and shelves and cubbies and barge boards and blades sticking off every which way...

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Like I said, they just ain't pretty any more.

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Be still, my heart! That is the definition of a beautiful F1 car. It's not the only beautiful F1 car, but it's the best one!

And I got to see it win at Spa on June 18, 1967. One of the most memorable experiences of my life.

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OH, lucky you! What a great memory that is! It's my favorite as well.

Does everyone know that the landing legs on those amazing spaceX boosters that landed side by side where built by All American Racers?

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I think that cutting-edge motorsport's loss may be historic motorsports' gain...
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Here are some very up close looks at the dozens of doodads and aero gizmos on the new Mercedes, with the 2017 chassis right next to it. Especially interesting is along and under the nose and the area in front of the side pods. It's all a bit bizarre!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=nfBOxwSNg6s

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