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Okay, I'll give Rosberg credit for a near 'flawless-race'...good start...no 'whining'...amassed a big lead...stayed out of trouble & off the barriers. But considering all that Mercedes' domination has me wondering=does anyone think MBenz is cheating???

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But considering all that Mercedes' domination has me wondering=does anyone think MBenz is cheating???
Iīm everything but not a Merc-fan, not a Ros-fan, and surely not a Hammy-fan, but:

NO. Surely not.
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So, you're saying that Mercedes is just smarter than everybody else? And it's been 2+ years & nobody has figured it out...there's 'something' going on(?).

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But considering all that Mercedes' domination has me wondering=does anyone think MBenz is cheating???
I agree with hunttheshunt: "NO. Surely not"

If MBenz were cheating, its competitors would have figured it out long before some Alfa Romeo enthusiasts on the internet. Are you suggesting that the likes of Sergio Marchionne and Christian Horner would keep quiet if they suspected cheating on the part of a competitor?

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Post race press conference

Europe GP: Race notes - Mercedes - Pitpass.com

Nico said: "The engineers weren't allowed to tell me what I had to do, so I had a look at my steering wheel and tried to fix it myself, which worked out well."

Hammy said: "We have hundreds of different combinations of switch position on the wheel and, no matter how much you study, there's no way to remember them all. I was driving around looking at my screen trying to work out what was wrong - but I couldn't see anything I'd done differently. It's such a complicated, technical formula we have now and I don't really see the benefit in preventing us from being able to fix these things out on track. It was just a real shame that I couldn't race."

Did you once hear from this guy that anything could be his own fault ? Ever ?
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@Alfajay:

I agree. I can't see Mercedes cheating, either. I was trying to 'wake-up' some of the F1 fans that, apparently, have forgotten about this thread...either from laziness or boredom.

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@huntstheshunt:

I don't see how you can blame Hamilton for a 'technical-glitch'...granted he does like to whine, but this problem, IMO, wasn't his fault! The crash in Q3 was, tho.

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I just mean about the difference, how both drivers speak about the same issue. Ros says he started thinking about, while Ham started whining, claiming & blaming about the rules and everything. He never ever says something like "hmm, well, may be I should start thinking about that issue myself because I know my radio engineer isnīt allowed to tell me". He needed 12 laps to get it right ! Why Ros sorted it out quicker ? Because he did think about how he could do it. And not to blame the pit crew instead of no help.

Itīs the same like last week in Montreal: He made a bad start, but his car understeered into Ros. His car, not Ham the car. It was his car going the wrong way, but not his own fault. Like: "No, I didnīt shot this guy, it was my gun."

You never ever hear from him that something could be on his own action. Never. Itīs always something or someone else.

How often did I say already: Heīs bloody quick but behaves like a child. Thatīs what Iīm missing from a real champion to be: A complete driver. Heīs quick, may be the quickest in the last years, but not more and not a real champion.

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No. It's turbocharging.
Please explain. Having built and raced a turbocharged road racing car I find your statement curious.

I thought the course was very interesting. From what we could see it is a beautiful city.

The race was hardly scintillating, there was more excitement on the radios then there was on track.

At this point, Riccardo and Vettel must be wondering what it will take to beat the Mercs in a fair fight.

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Sorry, this weekend was Le Mans weekend. What a race, very sad end for Toyota. Really, really good streaming app as well, just sat and watched the onboard feed. Real Time, HD, totally reliable, multiple cars. It really made you feel close to the racing. F1 could learn a lot.

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Please explain. Having built and raced a turbocharged road racing car I find your statement curious.
If these engines would be naturally aspirated, they would need (and use) higher rev levels; as they are turbocharged but canīt be taken to the possible maximum power output by fuel flow rule restrictions. They get volumetric efficiency needed for required power output within flow restrictions without the need of higher rev level. Rules limit max. fuel pressure, max. fuel flow by time and max. fuel quantity by weight.
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So, it's the fuel restriction.
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No, it's turbocharging.

Same rules, same fuel restriction, but with naturally aspiration would mean higher revs.

With turbocharging there is no need to use the rev limits given by rules.
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And yet, if you rev it higher you make more horsepower. It just takes more fuel.

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And yet, if you rev it higher you make more horsepower. It just takes more fuel.
With turbocharging you first go up with boost to get more power. Raising revs leads quicker to the limit of supply of the charger. Even if with 2016 F1 rules there wouldnīt be a fuel flow limit they wouldnīt rev 15k to maximize power.

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