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Wrt your Spider brakes, we are running them on our Milano. With the bleeder at 10:00 (car level), isn't it still at the highest point in the caliper? We have not had any rear bleeding problems on our Milano, and we bleed them on the lift where the car is flat.

Interested to see what you come up with for a bias valve. Our brakes seem fine, but we don't wear our rear pads at the same rate we wear out fronts.


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Congrats on your great results Brian. We race at Monticello next weekend then a month later its NHMS.

I made up a set of brackets welded to the de-dion triangle that I rivet aluminum sheets to. These are winglets that scoop air from the underneath the car and direct it up into the dead air space that the brakes live in.

It might not be obvious but the holes in the caliper are not at the top when mounted on a transaxle. The brakes feel fine, but here is a tiny bit of air in there which causes some issues with threshold braking in the rear.

The Bias issue was my fault, I converted from ABS and did not put in the factory proportioning valve for one race. Carbotech XP 10 in front and XP8 in back. Massive lockup in the rear. Then I put in a Tilton lever style proportioning valve in. I go 3 to 5 clicks from full rear brakes to get the balance close.

I was using 1 sets of front brakes to 2 rear previously. Now its 1.5 front to 1 rear pad set life.

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Wrt Wes, the car was **** fast. Until all that HP started stressing things in the transaxle, half shafts, ...
The car was FREAKIN' FAST. Of the five cars that passed me and held the pass four were prior winners. The fifth was a ex-Ford Motorsport built Rally car that was very quick.
I don't think the tranny problems we had were related to the power of the motor. Both problems we had before with the four cylinder car. The first was we had the bolts that hold the rear rotors on come loose on the right side and then we broke the "finger" on the shift shaft. Once I saw how we could shift the tranny and the way the shifter was loose I knew what the problem was so we didn't have to pull the tranny. We just removed the clutch and front housing on the tranny. If you the remove two studs you can swing the 5th/reverse shift fork out of the way and replace the shift shaft. Since this is the third time we've had problems with that part it is time for us to make some that are stronger and thicker where the roll pin goes through.

As for your rear calipers I'll shoot some pictures of what was done to the calipers on our second car. Someone added two bleeders to each caliper that stick straight up when the caliper is mounted on the transaxle.

Good luck at your next race.

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Race leaders after day one at there goes the neighborhood. The car is good and all the planets are in alignment.

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Race leaders after day one at there goes the neighborhood. The car is good and all the planets are in alignment.

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Frank says he misses breaking bread with you.

I say we're missing our alfisti paesanos....

Everybody loves the car but they drove e30s and other lesser cars.

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How many Alfa race cars do you own?

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Well we finished in 2nd on the same lap as the leaders today in a field of 120 cars.

Here is a link to yesterdays race report.

LeMons New York Day One: Gremlin Leading Hornet, Milano-vs-Mustang-vs-300ZX Battle For First | Car and Driver Blog

My Milano gave us everything she had, again but today it was not quite enough to win.

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I love the F1 inspired brake cooling ducts.

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You burst my bubble. I was starting to believe that Lemons was cutting edge technology.

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Here is some in car video of the 24 Hours of LeMons race at Monticello motor club.

Brian I have taken your advice and I don't stress the motor so much anymore. I shift at 7200-7300 now instead of 7400.

We were not the fastest car out there but we were quick enough and made nearly 0 mistakes.


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What do you mean you weren't the quickest car there? You were carving through the field like they were on a pace lap!
What video/data aquisition are you using? That looked great.

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What do you mean you weren't the quickest car there? You were carving through the field like they were on a pace lap!
What video/data aquisition are you using? That looked great.

Dave
I always show the good stuff, not the bad.

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Well the car is loaded up and ready to head to Road America. Thought I'd post on this thread as a preventative measure. Did some dyno tuning on Wednesday, its amazing what results small tweaks can make. We're hoping for an upper mid pack finish.
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