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Question Making Sense of Shocks for a Milano

Hey guys,

I know there are probably several threads on this topic down the list but none that i could find really gave me what i was looking for. I am looking for a stiff shock that is easy on a budget. I know konis are the end all do all for most applications but theyre pricey as h*ll compared to others like QA1. I have also heard that Bilsteins are stiff and RSRs are expensive but thats about where my knowledge ends. My questions are:

What do you recommend?

Do you guys know the specifications for Milano shocks (f/r) and is it set in stone?

Is it taboo to use longer travel shocks in the rear to add slyalfas coil over system ?(http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/mila...-obispo-5.html)

Can you use stiff shocks to supplement softer springs?

Can a Milano be lowered on any type of shock with cut stock springs and adjusted torsion bars?

Where is a good place to buy shocks?

What are the affects of having a softer setup on one half of the car than the other (for example, the front is harder thqn the rear)?




Im looking to build as cheap and stiff setup as possible which is why im looking at slyalfas setup for front and rear. If there are better ones, holler. Any advice on said questions is appreciated.

Thanks for putting up with my interrogation ,

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Is it taboo to use longer travel shocks in the rear to add slyalfas coil over system ?(http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/mila...-obispo-5.html)
The DeDion damper mount isn't designed for spring loads. The SZ/RZ DeDion is braced significantly to take spring loads there. Same said for the damper mount on the chassis.
Proper springs are a lot cheaper than wrecking your car.

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Can you use stiff shocks to supplement softer springs?
No.
People try but ultimately it is the spring that takes the load and the damper controls and offers some support to the spring.

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Can a Milano be lowered on any type of shock with cut stock springs and adjusted torsion bars?
It's a function of shaft travel............ If you run out of it, and the springs or TB are too soft, because you've lowered the car too much, then you'll run out of travel in the damper and wreck it when it gets smashed internally.
Bump stops are there for a reason.


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What are the affects of having a softer setup on one half of the car than the other (for example, the front is harder thqn the rear)?
Done properly and assuming that the car doesn't have any stupid vices because of its suspension design, then the rear suspension should have a natural frequency about 10% higher than the front suspension. With dampers matching those natural frequencies.
But that's done properly......................

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Ok thanks Duk, thats what i was looking for.

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I had Koni Sports on mine with our handling kit. They were fine and worked well but just for research purposes I've fitted Bilstein B6 now. The low speed ride is worse, especially at the rear but the car now feels a lot more controlled, especially over mid corner bumps. Basically, the faster you go, the better it feels.


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+1 on the Bilsteins. I have the Sport variety on mine and the car is very well dampened. With the full set of poly bushings it's not a soft ride, but no one buys an A fa for a soft ride/drive. That's what my Chrysler's for...

You might troll the Parts For Sale section for a used set of Bilsteins or Konis. Good used is good used...
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A few years ago I owned two Verdes. One had standard springs and Bilsteins and the other had sport springs and Koni's. The one with the Koni's had a much more pleasant ride and it handled at least as well as the Bilstein car.

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Thats what i thought, i got konis with my daily driver with sport springs and torsion bars and it was rather comfortable. However, on my trackday car I a looking for somthing which performs for cheaper than konis so it sounds like bilsteins are a good option. Has anyone used KYB's? since they are gas shocks they should be as stiff as bilsteins right?

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I just put Bilsteins on our 89 Milano which had the Shankle suspension installed when the car was new 100k miles ago. The ride of course became considerably stiffer (100k miles on the stock shocks, still not too bad) with the Bilsteins but it has loosened up a little. I think it will be about right after several thousand more miles of spirited driving, lol. It will still be stiff but will take advantage of the Shankle stuff better.

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Has anyone used KYB's? since they are gas shocks they should be as stiff as bilsteins right?
Damper 'stiffness' (it's behavior) is a function of the piston design and valving.
High pressure gas dampers prevent the cavitation of the oil when the damper is worked quickly.

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High pressure gas dampers prevent the cavitation of the oil when the damper is worked quickly.
Which is why they work so well in Wales...


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Alright cool, that means they ought to work even better in Port Townsend

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