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post #46 of 199 (permalink) Old 11-20-2013, 08:42 PM Thread Starter
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Last night,

short progress, but none the less, progress.

Removed the majority of the rest of what was hanging under there to be replaced. Fuel tank drained, fuel pump removed, most of the fuel lines, exhaust, and a few other little things.

Downpipes have seen better days, but plan on having new ones made as these were IAP header/downpipe combo i bought used (clearly) from a member here. I will have a pretty low ride height in the end so they where they are smashed, will be delt with so it doesnt happen again later.







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crappy pictures, but my wheels arrived.



Esm 001 17x8 offset +35 with hubcentric rings.





Did a quick test fit. Will need a 15-20mm spacer in the front to achieve what im aiming for and havent decided on 27mm or 30mm torsion bars im going with, before i lower it more.



I have a 215/45/17 tire and a 225/45 im going to mount and see if i want to go with one of them. Anyone running 17's have any luck with a specific tire size?

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Esm 001 17x8 offset +35 with hubcentric rings.

Did a quick test fit. Will need a 15-20mm spacer in the front to achieve what im aiming for and havent decided on 27mm or 30mm torsion bars im going with, before i lower it more.


I have a 215/45/17 tire and a 225/45 im going to mount and see if i want to go with one of them. Anyone running 17's have any luck with a specific tire size?
215/45/17 are too big. And with a +35 offset I doubt very much that they'll fit!
If you add a 15mm spacer you'll reduce offset to +20mm.

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I have a 215/45/17 tire and a 225/45 im going to mount and see if i want to go with one of them. Anyone running 17's have any luck with a specific tire size?[/QUOTE]

Like where you are headed. The work so far is great! Good luck with aggressive /decent wheel and tire fitment. You will have to start cutting,to get stuff to fit without rubbing. Can't wait to see where this goes.

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We'll just wait and see. I haven't even got close to getting it on the ground. Just happy to be making progress. I may rub, but rubbing can be fixed.
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can you take a photo of the internal wheel? thanks
Are they 5x98 o 5x100?
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We'll just wait and see. I haven't even got close to getting it on the ground. Just happy to be making progress. I may rub, but rubbing can be fixed.
It'll do more than rub.................

My car. +50mm offset, 16x8 Series 6 Mazda RX7 wheels. 20mm thick hub adapter. Tyres are 215/45/16.
This is the largest diameter tyre I can run.

***The rears are Dunlop 225/50/16s, but a tape measure shows they have a diameter much closer to a 225/45/16 according to the usual online tyre calculators. These were too big to fit and I could get very little steering lock on before the back of the tyre hit the body.***
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can you take a photo of the internal wheel? thanks
Are they 5x98 o 5x100?
Internal wheel? they are 5x98.

Duk, can you get me more pictures of your set up? Like i said, clearances are going to be tight, but agressive and lowered is what im after. im not expecting nothing to rub, but going for what im going for, its going to rub.
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What do they look like without the cap that covers the wheel studs [Picture?]? I'm not a fan of the fake centrelock look, but I do like the wheels otherwise.
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The only reason why I chose these wheels was because I'm on some type of budget and the price shipped wasn't bad
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I'm not bagging out on them, they do look great for a 75! They are well priced for a set and offered in 5x98 is a extra bonus too. Just wondering how they look without the centre cap, Because I prefer the look of studs over centre cap on any wheel [particularly long studs and a nice set of open end nuts... Sounds so wrong HAHA!].
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Yes, would you show a picture without the center cap please. Also which offset did you get?
I'm thinking of getting these for my race car as I'd like a wider wheel than the GTV6 ones I'm running and I think the look is kind of period correct.

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Duk, can you get me more pictures of your set up? Like i said, clearances are going to be tight, but agressive and lowered is what im after. im not expecting nothing to rub, but going for what im going for, its going to rub.
Some more photos.
A few things to consider. Firstly, the car is engine-less and will sit a bit lower than in some of these photos (there are bricks under the right front wheel in the top 2 photos).
Secondly, I run an additional 375 lb/in coil spring over the shocks. The overall spring rate calculates to be very, very close to a 28.7mm torsion bar.
Standard spring rates are VERY soft and result in a lot of wheel movement.
And finally, I use the Pace Engineering 'Long Shank Top Ball Joints', and these give a fairly aggressive gain in negative camber with bump travel, so the top of the tyre goes inwards with bump movement.

At most I recon you could use 5mm thick front spacers and 10mm thick rear spacers (my rear hub adapters are 25mm thick).
The more offset you have at the front, the larger the scrub radius becomes and the less tyre diameter you can run, as per the 1st photo I posted.
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Those ESM's really look good on the Verde (bet they'd look good on the GTV6 too)!

Unfortunately though you didn't pay a lot of attention when the sizing question was asked in that other post - "Anyone Running 16" Wheels?".

http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/mila...ml#post4952098

Remember that offset is measured from the centerline of the wheel. So two wheels of different width but same offset, will affect your back-spacing. Which is most important up in front. 15mm less backspacing is just over 1/2". Nothing that can't be dealt with, but if you decided to go the same size all around, you should have chosen the 20mm offset they offer for that wheel.

As for tire sizing. Even 205/45-17 are too big dude.
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The way to plus-size when you go larger diameter rim (e.g 17") is to go small aspect ratio (sidewall height). So, in the case of the 205, you would need 40 aspect ratio. But I don't think 205 would even fit on an 8" rim. Even Joan Rivers face wouldn't stretch that far! The wider the tire, the smaller the aspect ratio you'll need to maintain the same diameter.

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Those ESM's really look good on the Verde (bet they'd look good on the GTV6 too)!



But I don't think 205 would even fit on an 8" rim. Even Joan Rivers face wouldn't stretch that far! The wider the tire, the smaller the aspect ratio you'll need to maintain the same diameter.
I'm looking at these same wheel in 15". The Miata (track) guys run 205s on 8 inch wheels with no problem.

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Actual the 205 will stretch on an 8. I tested two tire sizes the other day which I haven't posted pictures for. I think I'm going to go with a 215 though. I will get pictures up in a few days.
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