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After many years of anticipation, I've finally acquired a Junior Zagato. I was actually on the search for a while starting about seven years ago, but my progress was interrupted by a Giulietta Spider.

The Spider has since been restored, driven enthusiastically and sold, so when the opportunity arose to purchase a Jr. Z I stretched a bit and made it happen.

I just drove the car back from SoCal after spending a couple of hours with the previous owner, Pat Garret. He took good car of the car - it has an excellent 1750 and is mechanically in great shape. I think the ignition switch may need to be swapped out, but other than that it would probably get me just about anywhere.

I'm looking forward to connecting with other Jr. Z owners. I know a few who live in the Bay Area (my own provenance) but would like to hear from other folks about their experiences with these great cars. I'm curious to find out what sources for parts there are (none, from what I have gleened thus far).

I'm hoping to repaint the car within the next year, but in the meantime I'm going to try and drive it as much as possible.

My first question is - did these cars originally have a piece of trim along each of the side windows? My doors have what appears to be after-market window wipes. Should there be a metal piece of trim on either door?

I'll try and find photos while waiting for an answer...

cheers,
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Welcome to the club, Brian...

This bb is a great resource for the questions you've asked, and for the ones that are still to come. "Zagato Olaf" has a great amount of knowledge about the history of these cars, and he, no doubt will be chiming in soon with some responses about your window trim. All my window trim is black, but may have been coated by the previous owner during restoration or repaint, so I'm not able to help.
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Welcome Brian!/Window trim

Hello Brian and Gordy,

Brian; congratulations once more! Did you take pictures while driving the car back home? I would be very interested to see them. Don't these cars have a great roadholding like Gordy mentioned!

Gordy is correct, all the window trim on the doors of the JZ is black. Rumours on cars with more luxurious trim and some chrome on the door trim are heard, but I can't confirm them. I have seen some chrome trim on the doors, but all those examples looked like nice homemade solutions.

I have included 2 Word-files with some drawings of and information on the door trim and the window wipes. Frank Hanel in Germany might be able to help you, we obtained a set from him two years ago.

Enjoy your new car, let us know how you are getting on with it and I hope to see some pictures!

Ciao, Olaf
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Hi Brian,


I hope these pictures will help.

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I hope these pictures will help.

Best regards,
Jochen
Hello Jochen,

Thanks for the picture. Yep, this is the cloth we were talking about! But I was under the impression that we were talking about the outside trimpieces that are situated along the windowframe. It could well be that Brian was talking about the inside trim pieces. Let's see what he has to say.

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Indeed - I was asking about the pieces on the outside of the door. I have the inside ones.

Thanks for posting the photos - I don't suppose you have some of the outside of your door?

I am also missing door panels. I expect that I'll have to have these fabricated at some point (or make them myself). I can't imagine that anyone is producing repros.

Olaf - unfortunately, I didn't think to bring my camera for the trip back, but I'll take some photos when I get the car back to Berkeley.

cheers,
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Indeed - I was asking about the pieces on the outside of the door. I have the inside ones.

Thanks for posting the photos - I don't suppose you have some of the outside of your door?

I am also missing door panels. I expect that I'll have to have these fabricated at some point (or make them myself). I can't imagine that anyone is producing repros.

Olaf - unfortunately, I didn't think to bring my camera for the trip back, but I'll take some photos when I get the car back to Berkeley.

cheers,
Brian

Hello Brain,

That's a pity, I was looking forward to the pictures with a big smile on your face standing beside the car on a bright Californian day! Better luck next time.

About the door panels (doorcards), they are still available if I am not mistaken. Check the list with suppliers and have a look at their website. You should have a chance at some of the European suppliers on the list and drop them a line if the parts are not on the website.

I will check once more for photographs of the outside trimpieces on top of the door or make some the next time 'little yellow' comes out of the garage.

The photographs of the red JZ below are from the internet. I do not know the source but would like to thank the owner for sharing them with us! This might help you a bit in trying to find out what these trim pieces look like.

Cheers and Ciao! Olaf
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Picture of the doorcard/door panel

Hi Brian,

And here are some pictures of the doorcard/doorpanel. The black one on the right is an early original example with the armrest of the reardoor of an early Giulia Sedan. The black one on the left is a late style model with the armrest of the 1750 Berlina.
The beige one is a reskinned version without the 'ribs' that should be seen between the silvercoloured trimpiece. The bottom black one is an original doorcard that has additional 'kickplates' to prevent damaged to the doorcard itself.

Ciao! Olaf
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...and the outside trimpieces

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Hey Folks,

Thanks for all the photos. I'll try and find those pieces when I get back home.

So - someone is still making door panels? That's good to hear.

Olaf - you mention a list of parts suppliers - where can I find this?

Interesting - that last photo has chrome trim around the drip lip - aftermarket?

cheers,
Brian

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Hi Brian,

Congrats on the Junior Z. These are absolutely wonderful cars that have it all: Outstanding desing and lots of fun to drive.

The "drip lip" was introduced for the 1600 models, the 1300 do not have the big chrome lip all around the windows on the outside.

I am not aware that anybody makes door panels and think you have to remanufacture but please correct me if I am wrong.

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Hi Brian,

Congrats on the Junior Z. These are absolutely wonderful cars that have it all: Outstanding desing and lots of fun to drive.

The "drip lip" was introduced for the 1600 models, the 1300 do not have the big chrome lip all around the windows on the outside.

I am not aware that anybody makes door panels and think you have to remanufacture but please correct me if I am wrong.

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Hello Mike,

By the 'drip lip', do you mean the chrome trimpiece that runs from the bottom of the C-pillar along the roof of the car above the side windows and the door to the bottom of the A-pillar?
If so; yes the 1600 JZ was equipped standard with a wide chrome 'drip lip'. Sorry to correct you, but the 1300 JZ also came standard with a chrome 'drip lip', although this one was considerable smaller.
Some people removed the drip lips or they fell of by themselves (as mine did), others painted them black. But it was an original part that came with the car. The 'drip lip' was attached to the roof with two chrome 'end pieces' with small screws at both ends.
Have a look at the bottom left picture from the 'Style Auto' magazine nr 21 of the 4th quarter of 1969. It shows one of the first 208 cars produced in the autumn of 1969 that became available to the public from February 1970.
And the original brochure I have in my possession also shows the 1300 JZ with the small chrome 'drip lip'.

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Here is a scan of the 1300 JZ brochure. You can see the drip lip on the far left in the dooropening.

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Hey Folks,

After many years of anticipation, I've finally acquired a Junior Zagato. I was actually on the search for a while starting about seven years ago, but my progress was interrupted by a Giulietta Spider.

The Spider has since been restored, driven enthusiastically and sold, so when the opportunity arose to purchase a Jr. Z I stretched a bit and made it happen.

I just drove the car back from SoCal after spending a couple of hours with the previous owner, Pat Garret. He took good car of the car - it has an excellent 1750 and is mechanically in great shape. I think the ignition switch may need to be swapped out, but other than that it would probably get me just about anywhere.

I'm looking forward to connecting with other Jr. Z owners. I know a few who live in the Bay Area (my own provenance) but would like to hear from other folks about their experiences with these great cars. I'm curious to find out what sources for parts there are (none, from what I have gleened thus far).

I'm hoping to repaint the car within the next year, but in the meantime I'm going to try and drive it as much as possible.

My first question is - did these cars originally have a piece of trim along each of the side windows? My doors have what appears to be after-market window wipes. Should there be a metal piece of trim on either door?

I'll try and find photos while waiting for an answer...

cheers,
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suspension sorting

Here are a few photos of the suspension and wheels of my Junior Z.

I'm wondering if the castor rods on these cars originally had heim joints - my car has them. From what Olaf mentioned to me in an email the other day that original set up was just the two pancake rubber bushings with the rod passing through the inner fender well.

I'm also very curious about how my tires would be fitting without rubbing the wheel wells. I hadn't even looked at them before but just noticed that they are 195's!! I'm wondering if a previous owner changed the camber? Maybe there are wheel spacers? Not sure yet. I'm going to take a wheel off today and look.

Will it even be possible to install 165 55 R14s on five star mags? I'm wondering if they won't be too wide. My intention was to get stock sized tires, but now I'm not sure...

Any input would be appreciated.
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