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post #271 of 406 (permalink) Old 01-17-2016, 09:52 AM
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Brian,
It seems that you are missing 2 holes. On my car there were 4 welded nuts on the inside of the back panel for mounting the licence plate. There should be a black plastic fill-in piece to close the gap between the licence plate and the recessed area. Because I didn't have this piece I made one out of stainless steel. The original item was made out of the same (strong??) material as the dash top. And to hold the plate in place there is a stainless frame with 4 holes for the screws.
For the frame I used one from a Super. 4 holes in the corners, job done.
I don't know if you have the "catalogo parti di ricambio" for the JZ. There you can find all sorts of drawings how thing fit togeher. If you give me a mail address I can send it, the file size is about 3Mb

If you want I can make more photos once I get home.

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post #272 of 406 (permalink) Old 01-17-2016, 07:05 PM
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Brian,

Here Is A Picture Of Mine. I Don't Know How Original It Is; The Car Was Originally Red And Has Been Repainted. The Hole Spacing Is As Follows: Left To Right Spacing Is 10-1/4" & Top To Bottom Spacing Is 7-3/8".

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Hey Don - looks like there is something wrong with the pic you posted - not showing up. John - thanks for posting yours - those are definitely non-factory standard attachment points - at least the bottom two. Do those line up with the holes on your US plate?

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post #274 of 406 (permalink) Old 01-19-2016, 01:03 PM
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Brian,
The photo John showed looks very correct to me, 4 holes with welded nuts on the inside.

But I'll try again with my photo's.
Top to bottom
This is how my rear licence plate is attached

Plate removed, 4 mounting holes (I know it's dirty)

How it's held together

The home made stainless fill-in piece (should be made out of plastic)
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post #275 of 406 (permalink) Old 01-21-2016, 04:49 PM Thread Starter
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good news and bad

So, as it turns out, the 123 ignition is the cause of the starting issue. We swapped in the old ignition (a pertronix) and it runs fine.

This is all well and good but as soon as we started it, we discovered a much more significant problem. The head gasket was completely blown own and leaking oil from the block to the floor (puddle) and into the coolant. The motor is apart now - the o-rings had completely failed and whatever brand of aftermarket head-gasket Pat used wasn't helping much either. Sadly, this is a very low miles motor so getting into this sort of work is unexpected. Still, it'll bring a fair amount of peace-of-mind in the coming years.

The head itself looks great. It's flat and has never been cut down. The valves are pretty good looking to. Re-assembly is nearly complete at this point.

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post #276 of 406 (permalink) Old 01-21-2016, 05:50 PM
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Ummm, that's a shame, but at least it will be put together correctly.

The original 1300 engine which came in it had a complete rebuild by Carlo not long after the car arrived in Vancouver. The crew unloading the car had run it over a deck tie down bracket and poked a hole in the sump, leaving a trail of oil down off the ship and across the storage lot. We had to quickly drive to Portland to Ron Tonkin Alfa to buy a new sump bottom and install it in the storage lot so that Bill and his wife could drive it to Seattle. Bill was later able to convince the insurance company to pay for a complete rebuild. Don't know whatever happened to that engine.

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post #277 of 406 (permalink) Old 01-21-2016, 07:59 PM Thread Starter
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Hey Del,

I still have the 1300. It's sitting in long term storage in the basement. Good to the the original motor for sure.

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Great. Should still be in good condition, hopefully. Part of the car's history.

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62 Morris MiniMinor 850, 67 Austin 1275 Cooper S (Downton 3/4 race), 64 Giulia Sprint GT (1st red one made), 72 Fiat 128 Sedan, 75 Alfetta Sedan, 78 Alfetta Sedan, 78 GTV, 81 GTV6, 86 GTV6
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post #279 of 406 (permalink) Old 01-27-2016, 12:05 PM Thread Starter
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On my way to pick up the Z at the shop in just a little bit. It's had the once-over mechanically in the last week. Tuned, aligned, etc. Can't wait to drive it! I'll post some photos when I'm back in my shop.

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Nice to have the car back in the garage. Waiting for the body shop to get back to me with a passenger side seat rail. Still need to install the door panels and finish up the bumper. I've finally found a shop who I think will be able to repair the nose trim. I'll be visiting there in a week.

The 123 was sent back for repairs. I'm curious to hear what went wrong with it.

Hoping to have a chance for a shake-down drive in a couple of weeks. I'll document and add photos then. I suppose we're reaching the end of the restoration part of this thread. Hoping to get in the history of the car and filling in some blanks (not that there are many) next.

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Good luck with the nose trim. A friend of mine purchase the re-pro trim from AFRA and it did not fit very well at all.

Fred - Now: 1966 Giulia Super -1973 1600Z Zagato -1973 Giulia Super-1983 AlfaSud 1.5 - 1968 Fiat Dino Spider, 2012 Abarth. Then: 1971 Fiat 500L-1974 Fiat 500 Abarth replica-1972 GTV
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Brian,

Thank you for documenting your restoration with all the outstanding detail. Many of us are now using as a excellent reference on our similar Jr Z 1300 projects. Very well done.

Also, I think I missed it on one of your pages, but what did you end up using for your carpet material and where did you buy it?

Again Congratulations.

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post #283 of 406 (permalink) Old 02-03-2016, 05:56 AM Thread Starter
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Thanks! Glad to hear it's helping people. I have often felt that I wasn't documenting enough - there are numerous examples on the BB that do such an amazing job with this - all of which have been so helpful to me.

The carpet is European wool - not sure the manufacturer. It's a box weave that matches the original carpet pretty closely but there are white hairs in it so it's a bit on the gray side. I'm really happy with the quality and appearance. My upholstery shop had a book with about 50 pages of material - I could connect you with him if it's helpful. Drop me a PM.

Been traveling since I drove the car home last week. Can't wait to get back and take it for a spin!

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How long ago did Pat last work on that engine? Pat wasn't known for spending more money that specifically required in any instance, but the pictured o-ring just looks like normal age deformation for a non-viton ring.

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Hey Andrew -

When I bought the car he told me he'd just been through the engine and that there was less than 10K on it. Looking back in his threads on the BB there were some threads that seemed to support this statement. You had actually replied to his request for o-rings at that time but from what I read he found another source locally.

The engine always performed quite well. I drove it quite a bit before tearing it down for restoration and it was one of the faster Alfas I've ever driven. That said, I'm probably lucky that the car didn't separate from it's suspension while I was driving it - knowing now how extensive the front rail rust was...

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