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I'll take a fiberglass mold which will become the actual molds for making the new carbon fiber parts.
IMO a waste of carbon fibre. The bodies on these are unstressed and were not designed to take any load, fibre-glass will do the job perfectly.

The car world has become carbon fibre snobs. Even dashboards are made out of it now ... utterly pointless. As pointless as the ricers vinyl wrapping their cars in carbon fibre looking vinyl. Carbon fibre is NOT supposed to be about looks but it has become that ... weird.

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I struggle with the idea of replica cars. Every time I see a Speedster or a Cobra or a GT40 I ask myself, 'Is it real?'. A replica is still a replica, and - for me at least - it takes away from the 'aura' of the original, and somehow leaves me feeling a bit cheated.

Punkt, you obviously have great skills, so why not use them to design your own car, perhaps using the 33 Stradale as your inspiration - but a design that reflects you and your own passion and originality? I would much rather see the original 'Punktmobile' than a fake Stradale.

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I struggle with the idea of replica cars. Every time I see a Speedster or a Cobra or a GT40 I ask myself, 'Is it real?'. A replica is still a replica, and - for me at least - it takes away from the 'aura' of the original, and somehow leaves me feeling a bit cheated.

Punkt, you obviously have great skills, so why not use them to design your own car, perhaps using the 33 Stradale as your inspiration - but a design that reflects you and your own passion and originality? I would much rather see the original 'Punktmobile' than a fake Stradale.

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I have the exact opposite opinion. I enjoy seeing a well executed replica. I know I'll never see an original 33 driving down the road. If I were there designer I'd consider it flattering.

Now what I'm no fan of is a VW with a Bugatti, etc. That's just not right...
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I passionately hate replicas that destroy vintage cars to make them, ie. 250GTO Ferraris made on a 250GT 2+2, or a P4 that killed a 365GT/4 2+2 for the engine ... of a step-nose that has had its steel shell ripped off for replica alloy panels ... but in this sort of replicas case no real vintage car will likely be harmed. So all good ... there are hundreds of Alfa v6s lying around looking for a home.

Killing a Montreal for its v8 would pee me off though! Note just buying one is a sin as you are fueling the bastards who make $'s by killing vintage cars AND it puts the price up for your fellow enthusiast who is trying to fix their actual Montreal. Just use a Ford or GM v8 ... if it has to have a v8 &#x1f642;
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Richard Jemison has his ~300 HP Monty engine for sale. That, a suitable transaxle and the Classic Alfa stuff would make an awesome car.
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I struggle with the idea of replica cars. Every time I see a Speedster or a Cobra or a GT40 I ask myself, 'Is it real?'. A replica is still a replica, and - for me at least - it takes away from the 'aura' of the original, and somehow leaves me feeling a bit cheated.

Punkt, you obviously have great skills, so why not use them to design your own car, perhaps using the 33 Stradale as your inspiration - but a design that reflects you and your own passion and originality? I would much rather see the original 'Punktmobile' than a fake Stradale.

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I appreciate your opinion. I may very well design and build my own car in the future, but for now my mind is set on this.

I think it comes down to how unobtainable a real Stradale is. I'm building this because I like building things, and I think it's the most beautiful car ever made, and I think it's crazy and ridiculous and wonderful. I know its not a real Stradale, or even a real Alfa. The thing with a replica is I can build it how I want and I can race it and take it to the grocery store and look at it and really enjoy it. Anybody who sees it who knows what a Stradale is will know that it couldn't possibly be the real thing, and I don't really care. I don't really know why but I feel a deep connection with the Tipo 33 that makes me want to know everything about them and drive one and own one, but for me, this is as close as it is going to get and honestly that's good enough for me.

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Richard Jemison has his ~300 HP Monty engine for sale. That, a suitable transaxle and the Classic Alfa stuff would make an awesome car.
That would be incredible but I cannot come close to affording that engine.
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The 1949 Frazer-Nash "High Speed Competition" was an outstanding car. Third, overall, at Le Mans that year. Outright winner at the 1951 Targa and at the first Sebring 12 Hours held in 1952.
It was produced and sold to the public as the "Frazer-Nash Le Mans Replica".


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Replicas are not unusual in motorcycles. Around 1930 the top of the line Scott was the TT Replica and more recently Ducati sold the beautiful Mike Hailwood Replica.

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if some people are interested we are developping a tipo 33 stradale chassis as close as possible to the original ones in aluminum alloy
Are the the rear chassis legs not symmetrical?


I believe the originals were made by an aeronautical firm.
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IMO a waste of carbon fibre. The bodies on these are unstressed and were not designed to take any load, fibre-glass will do the job perfectly.
Noted. I was under the impression that a carbon fiber body, although not a stressed member, would be advantageous because it can be made thinner, and thus lighter than a fiberglass body for the same amount of strength. I guess I need to do some more research on that.

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If some people are interested we are developping a Tipo 33 Stradale chassis as close as possible to the original ones in aluminum alloy !!!!!
That looks amazing! How much would something like that cost? For now I'm going to be sticking with a steel tube spaceframe. Bare chassis weight should end up around 175lbs.

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Look at "S" class fiberglass. Significantly less expensive, and provides many of the benefits that you are looking for.

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