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post #1 of 12 (permalink) Old 11-24-2018, 08:19 AM Thread Starter
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Alfa 6C counters or not

Hi All,
Could anyone recognize and advise me about these counter set ?
Could they have been from an early Alfa?
I received them a very long time ago in exchange for Alfa 102 parts, from a person that was involved in buying and selling all kind of old luxuary Italian cars.
I thought they could be for the 6C but a maximum speed of 160 km/h seems to me to be a bit low.
Any ideas from the specialists on AlfaBB?
Many thanks for your reaction,

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6c2300 maybe?

http://en.wheelsage.org/touring/alfa...ctures/c8f1m9/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/tautaudu02/8692879487

Km/h or mph?
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160km and 6000rpm

The 6000rpm tachometer is appropriate for a good many cars of the 1938 to 1950 time period. The 160km/h speedometer is too low for any sporting 6C2300, 6C2500 or Cisitalia under normal circumstances, but similar instruments were used in certain examples of those cars. A coach-built Fiat 1100, Fiat 1500 or "small" Lancia are possibilities. There are other possibilities as well, including coach-built examples of less than "sporting" examples of Alfa Romeo, Lancia and other makers.
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Hi Alfasprinty

Some years ago I was given a large selection of rev counters; I was quite excited till I discovered there were mostly motorbike item!

I wonder if your's are not the same?

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Definitely automotive and most likely something at least a bit special by modern standards. These sorts of instruments were generally used by "name" coachbuilders and they could be highly individual. There was often a cottage-industry aspect to customizing each unit for a particular use. Sometimes markings can be found in hidden areas, such as the back side of the instrument face.

There are lots of possibilities when one begins to consider older cars that might have become rebodied for some owner who wanted an updated style in something that had become a bit "tired" or "dated" or damaged while remaining mechanically sound.

It was not normal to give a car an instrument that would be easily maxed out. So, we are looking most likely at a car that might be able to do 90 mph (or less) on a good day (under the right circumstances) with an engine that might be expected to top out at 4800 rpm or less. Maybe 5200 rpm or less? Of course, that combination presumes the instruments are actually an original pairing. Probably so, based on the matching bezel feature.

From what I see in photos of various 6C2300B cars, their speedometers generally read to 180 or 200 km/hour. The earlier 2300 examples tend to have different styles of instruments, but if one became rebodied ... all bets are off. The 6C2500 & Cisitalia (?) … generally 200 km/hour or greater. Of course, there can always be exceptions to any generality.

Coach-built Fiat 1100 or 1400 seem perhaps most likely to be the source, but Lancia Aprilia or Ardea might be next in line? An early Aurelia (small engine, non-sporting intent) could be possible as well? In fact, fancy light truck or van versions of these guesses seem also possible.
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Hi ,
Thanks all for the responses, thoughts and the pictures.
First of all, the counters are in the Italian language, that brings me to km and not to miles.
By the way, have there been counters in miles for these early Alfa’s destinated for the US market?
Hi iicarJohn, I think you’re totally correct that a maximum speed indication of 160 km/h would be definitally to low for the Alfa’s and I must admit that all the arguments you gave seems to be so logical and right but what do I do with the resemblance between the counters in the second picture coming from Pete (PSk) about the Alfa Romeo 6C 2300 B Pininfarina Cabriolet 1937 and the one’s I have.
Even better , from what I can see, every detail of the front of the counters, including the colour, seems to be the same except for the larger chrome bezel on the counters I have.
The car of that picture would have been a one-off made by Pininfarina if the accompaning text of the sale is correct .
Maybe the coachbuilder, in this case Pininfarina, choose those counters especially for this car instead of using the ones delivered normally for the 2300B by Alfa. But why choosing a counter with a lower maximum speed indication when the car would have 110 cv what was even more than the two carbs powered 2300 B Pescara?

Every time I see pictures of counters in an Alfa of that period I look for the highest speed indiction but I never found a maximum indication less than 180km/h. This picture , totally new for me, changes the matter a bit.
Keeping in mind that ‘one swallow doesn’t make a summer’ .
So it would be great if other pictures of counters of this type with a max of 160 km would show up and could be related to or Alfa or other Italian cars.
Anyway I thank you all again for your replies.
Rgds from Belgium,

Thierry
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Absolutely agree, the gauges appear identical to Pete's post - reminder, must read all posts before responding! - my earlier comment about motor cycle instruments was based on the original fotos which 'appear' to have rubber mountings which are typical bike!

Happy to be corrected.

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Hi All,
I would think the problem of the larger chrome bezel could maybe be solved.
I was able to take a picture from the dashboard with the counters in an Alfa 2300B parts catalog that I could borrow from a friend.
The chrome bezel passes partially through the hole of the dashboard panel from behind, the larger part of the bezel staying behind that panel for holding the counter on his place. So from the inside of the car there is only a small chrome ring visible. Probably it must have been cheaper or easier to chrome the complete bezel than to chrome only the upstanding side.
So I think, one enigma less but to be honnest, this doesn’t prove that these counters were for the Alfa being observant that the maximum speed indication of 160km/h is still to low. It only shows the system to mount the counters in a car, any car. A pitty that the picture of the counter in the 2300 B parts manual wasn’t detailed enough for determining the maximum speed indication.
So I’m still hoping for other pictures of those counters.
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Hi alfasprinty
are these 6C counters for sale? I'm looking for some. Sincerely, Rolf
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Hi Rolf,
Thanks for your reply. For what type of car do you need those Veglia counters? Can you send me a picture of that car?
It is not my intention selling them as they are part of my Alfa collection but if you really need them for the ressurection of an historical car, in my opinion selling them would be the only right thing to do. Than you can allways pm me with your offer.
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Hi there,

please have a look here.

Alfa 6C 2300 Berlina

You will have a great info about the gauges...

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Hi Chris,
Thank you so much, this makes already two times a 6C 2300 having 'today' the same gauges plus a big resemblance in the 6C 2300 B Catalog.
It would be great if this could be confirmed further with some pictures of other cars.
Great Info!
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