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Perhaps I should have mentioned that my data collection, although far from complete, includes some information on almost 100 Alfa Romeo 6C1500, more than 400 Alfa Romeo 6C1750 and 21 Alfa Romeo 6C1900 ... plus some engines no longer with cars or fitted to cars other than "original". All listed by chassis number and with varying amounts of historical data or leads to more that can be collected. Unidentifed leads? Many. Very many.

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John:

I am aware you and Angela are both trying to keep track of information on the pre-war cars and thank you for your efforts. My point was that there is no official register (as far as I'm aware of), and no one doing any kind of newsletter on pre-war cars. Even with post war cars, it seems that various registers are slowly dieing. The 1900 register and the 102/106 register is nowhere near as active as it was some 10-15 years ago. Even the giulietta register isn't done as frequently as before. Mal Harris did a 4 time a year 6c2300/2500 register, but hasn't done an issue in over 5 years. There is an International 6c2300/2500 register, but I have no idea if they are publishing anything or not.
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Hello Damien,

The book '6C1750' By Fusi & Slater is still for sale. Try the link.
AbeBooks: Search Results - Roy Slater and 6C1750

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And also (much cheaper) here.

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With thanks to Gordon Barrett for the reminder a couple of months ago ... If you are looking for specific chassis number information, the Italian edition was evidently published later in 1968? At a minimum, it was prepared using information from a later chassis data collection effort and the listing is both a bit more comprehensive and there are updates and corrections from the listing published in the English language edition. Still, it is 40 year-old information.

Damien, I have also made lists of plates seen in Motor Sport. Haven't identified all of them yet but some are known. If you have gathered a few registration plates, please list them here and I will identify them as much as I can.

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Alfa Romeo 6C listing - Series 1, Series 2, Series 3

Here is a listing about the early series cars for which I have collected some scrap of information. Sometimes it is considerably more than a scrap and sometimes not much at all. In this listing, you are getting to see only a bit more than a scrap about each car. Some might agree that it is the most important part ... if the listing can become more complete, definitive and certain as to the nature of the data presented. Each car has potentially important lessons for those of us who want to know more about the cars in general and about certain cars specifically. WARNING! There are very likely to be some entries that are a bit misleading. I am correcting errors all the time. This presentation is not intended to be any kind of "gospel" whatsoever. It is merely a collection of observations ... and not all of the observations are mine and some of mine might even be flawed!

Also attached, a revised form that I use for collecting data from each car individually. I always learn more by seeing a car in person, but sometimes just a bit of specific data can also be informative, particularly if it is accompanied by photos. Please share something ... anything(!), about a car that you own ... or know ... or have known.

If something meaningful is shared as a result of posting here, I will take the time to prepare similar listings for the later cars as well. If not ... you'll simply have to wait for my next book ... which is always in the works. I just can't tell you when it will appear. Yet.

Updates as of 2/26//2011:
I have just heard from the current owner of 0312953 who assures me that the engine size is 1750cc and that the engine in the car is the original engine so the master listing has been updated to reflect this knowledge.

I have removed the "info form" from an earlier posting and am leaving it here where you can still see it below as an attachment. The attachment had 288 viewings when removed from that earlier posting while this one had 198 viewings at the same time. Presumably, there was some overlap in the views so I rather doubt there had been 486 separate viewers at the time. The overview document (dated 2008-08-26) has had 684 viewings at this time.

Update 5 March 2011:
The Alfa Romeo 6C listing has been revised and is now posted in #99. It had seen 693 viewings as of midnight PST beginning 6 March, 2011

The data-collection form has also been moved to posting #99. It had seen 201 viewings at this same time.

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G'day John,

Sorry for the belated response - I've been traveling around a lot over the past few months and have just relocated to sunny California from wintry Sydney for an extended visit. Just got back from my first trip to Monterey - what an incredible experience, complete overload for any car enthusiast...some glorious Alfas of course, my favourite moment was seeing John Mozart's black 8C2300 on the road after we left The Quail.

Sadly, my collection of Motor Sport magazines is now many thousands of kilometres away, so I'm relying on notes stored on a laptop. I thought the most useful thing would be to list all the UK-plated 6C 1500, 1750 & 1900s (including those I've already identified chassis numbers for) and have others try to fill in the blanks, not just those found in the pages of Motor Sport. I'm sure there are many others - any help with identifying old photos would be appreciated.

To start with, here's the 6C 1500s.

0111.200 6C 1500 UV 3575
0111.578 6C 1500 UL 7580
0111.638 6C 1500 UX 3920
0111.653 6C 1500 FO 8225
0111.690 6C 1500 PN 3342
0211.484 6C 1500 PG 602
0211.501 6C 1500 GC 5870 (also GH 8878)
0312.871 6C 1500 UV 818
0312.872 6C 1500 UV 819
0312.873 6C 1500 GU 9699
0312.874 6C 1500 GU 8733
851.3027 6C 1500 GH 1557
????????? 6C 1500 HOU 267 (advertised by D.White in MS 5/54)
????????? 6C 1500 RD 92 (advertised by Dan Margulies in MS 6/79)
????????? 6C 1500 YX 3647 (pictured in Roy Bacon's book Alfa in Pictures)

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Before moving on to the 6C 1750s, I should point out a lot of the plates are very hard to read in the photos, so there may be some inaccuracies.

Again, this is by no means a definitive list of UK 6Cs, just those I have found photos of in old magazines and elswhere, and the plates are a useful means of tracking individual cars.

Onto the 6C 1750s then;

0212.551 6C 1750 UW 300
0312.870 6C 1750 NRH 801
0312.897 6C 1750 UV 3349
0312.905 6C 1750 UU 9125
0312.906 6C 1750 VN 397
0312.909 6C 1750 UU 79
0312.913 6C 1750 DS 8983
0312.917 6C 1750 UV 5647
0312.924 6C 1750 TL 913
0312.956 6C 1750 VR 4952
0312.957 6C 1750 AR 1750
0411.875 6C 1750 ST 6093
0412.061 6C 1750 GC 7266
0412.203 6C 1750 LVO 891
0412.278 6C 1750 YY 709
0412.325 6C 1750 UF 6568
0412.349 6C 1750 GJ 34
851.3005 6C 1750 DXV 369
851.3025 6C 1750 GF 8733
851.3034 6C 1750 FM 8774
851.3037 6C 1750 OGA 28
851.3081 6C 1750 SV 5157
851.3088 6C 1750 ESV 477
851.3089 6C 1750 GK 3481
851.3091 6C 1750 UV 5647
851.3092 6C 1750 GN 57
861.3217 6C 1750 JN 226
861.3252 6C 1750 GH 4124
861.3262 6C 1750 UTN 912
861.3343 6C 1750 GK 3484
10814322 6C 1750 16 PME
10814342 6C 1750 TF 0852
10814353 6C 1750 AXN 724
10814368 6C 1750 AXA 758
10814373 6C 1750 GPA 200 (might be SPA 200)
10814378 6C 1750 AXN 153
10814381 6C 1750 BGO 242
10814386 6C 1750 AYH 701
10814387 6C 1750 FGU 108
10814397 6C 1750 WP 4336
10914519 6C 1750 GP 3751
10914520 6C 1750 GP 3754
101014284 6C 1750 EL 1357
101014832 6C 1750 KXO 590
101014852 6C 1750 DYE 484 (8C 2300 engine)
101014887 6C 1750 YFF 700
101014917 6C 1750 JH 5106
101014922 6C 1750 AXU 321 (also HSU 486)
12125048 6C 1750 BGW 494
12125051 6C 1750 NG 5979
12125053 6C 1750 BXX 40
12125064 6C 1750 APJ 758
????????? 6C 1750 AXG 965 (advertised by Gregor Fisken in 1999)
????????? 6C 1750 AUU 594 (advertised by Vintage Autos in MS 11/52)
????????? 6C 1750 467 CDM (owned by Bill Summers, see MS 2/81)
????????? 6C 1750 DXP 555 (advertised by Simmons in MS 3/52 and by Chiltern Cars in MS 2/54)
????????? 6C 1750 FGK 218 (did the California Mille in 2000)
????????? 6C 1750 GF 2507 (advertised by Lord Strathcarron in MS 5/49)
????????? 6C 1750 GF 3522 (owned by Captain Kruse, pic in old Australian RR club bulletin)
????????? 6C 1750 GF 8570 (owned by Roy Gibson in 2006)
????????? 6C 1750 GJ 3610 (owned by Captain Kruse, pic in old Australian RR club bulletin)
????????? 6C 1750 GN 3064 (advertised by Chiltern Cars in MS 2/52 & 5/52) ????????? 6C 1750 GN 4568 (Brooks auction in 7/93)
????????? 6C 1750 GT 2473 (advertised by Chiltern Cars in MS 2/55 & 1/56)
????????? 6C 1750 NRH 601 (seen in the 2000 MM Retro Annual)
????????? 6C 1750 PJ 849 (advertised in MS 6/92)
????????? 6C 1750 VE 9777 (pictured in C&SC 8/99)
????????? 6C 1750 WD 1470 (advertised by Dan Margulies, see MS 12/72)
????????? 6C 1750 WP 3960 (was in USA, see R&T Salon 5/57)
????????? 6C 1750 XJ 2732 (with Coys of Kensington in 1984)
????????? 6C 1750 YV 8544 (owned by a Captain Kruse, pic in old Australian RR club bulletin)

And finally, a couple of 6C 1900s.

121315259 6C 1900 DLM 3
121315287 6C 1900 RB 9551
?????????? 6C 1900 DS 9851 (a Monza-style special)

That's about it - look forward to reading any additions/corrections.

Cheers,
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G'day John,

Sorry for the belated response - I've been traveling around a lot over the past few months and have just relocated to sunny California from wintry Sydney for an extended visit. Just got back from my first trip to Monterey - what an incredible experience, complete overload for any car enthusiast...some glorious Alfas of course, my favourite moment was seeing John Mozart's black 8C2300 on the road after we left The Quail.

Sadly, my collection of Motor Sport magazines is now many thousands of kilometres away, so I'm relying on notes stored on a laptop. I thought the most useful thing would be to list all the UK-plated 6C 1500, 1750 & 1900s (including those I've already identified chassis numbers for) and have others try to fill in the blanks, not just those found in the pages of Motor Sport. I'm sure there are many others - any help with identifying old photos would be appreciated.

To start with, here's the 6C 1500s.

0111.200 6C 1500 UV 3575
0111.578 6C 1500 UL 7580
0111.638 6C 1500 UX 3920
0111.653 6C 1500 FO 8225
0111.690 6C 1500 PN 3342
0211.484 6C 1500 PG 602
0211.501 6C 1500 GC 5870 (also GH 8878)
0312.871 6C 1500 UV 818
0312.872 6C 1500 UV 819
0312.873 6C 1500 GU 9699
0312.874 6C 1500 GU 8733
851.3027 6C 1500 GH 1557
????????? 6C 1500 HOU 267 (advertised by D.White in MS 5/54)
????????? 6C 1500 RD 92 (advertised by Dan Margulies in MS 6/79)
????????? 6C 1500 YX 3647 (pictured in Roy Bacon's book Alfa in Pictures)

Regards,
Damien

6c 1500 0111210 whith body by James Young came to Sweden from the UK in the late 60-ies. Maybe one of your ????´s.
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Damien, has any one of your 6c1750 ????´s a Corsica body ? Then it should be 851.3049
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Hello Damien and Bjorn,

Nice work Damien! You've made a very good start. You have come up with a few new references for me. Perhaps three or four new chassis numbers and roughly a dozen plates? I spent several hours last night elaborating on your list and making a few minor adjustments and I am not quite finished yet. After that, I'll have to clean it all up so that it will look good when it is presented. It may be a day or two before I can find time (make time) to do that. In the meantime, based on Bjorn's comment, I can tell you that GU6936 was used on 0111210 before it went to Sweden.

Thanks for your efforts. I know all too well how much time this kind of data collection represents!

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6c 1500 0111210 whith body by James Young came to Sweden from the UK in the late 60-ies. Maybe one of your ????´s.
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G'day Björn and John,

I have 0111.210 being registered on Swedish plates KFH 165 on the 29th of September, 1929 but it sounds as if the date is way too early from your posts.

With the other Swedish car, 851.3049, I believe this was first registered in Sweden on August 2, 1974 as GSS 466.

Can you post any history or photos for either car?

I have been tracking Alfas (and Ferraris, Maseratis etc) for about 20 years, but the 6Cs are hard work without a definitive book or list of serial numbers. I'll go through your PDF file over the weekend John, and see if I can make any additions.

Cheers,
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John,I cant open your acrobat images-I keep getting told the file does not exist .Am I doing something wrong? Thanks very much to you and the others for sharing your knowledge by the way ;I am one of the sad tiny minority who find this stuff fascinating . Regards Terry Forrest
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G'day John,

Sorry for the belated response - I've been traveling around a lot over the past few months and have just relocated to sunny California from wintry Sydney for an extended visit. Just got back from my first trip to Monterey - what an incredible experience, complete overload for any car enthusiast...some glorious Alfas of course, my favourite moment was seeing John Mozart's black 8C2300 on the road after we left The Quail.

Sadly, my collection of Motor Sport magazines is now many thousands of kilometres away, so I'm relying on notes stored on a laptop. I thought the most useful thing would be to list all the UK-plated 6C 1500, 1750 & 1900s (including those I've already identified chassis numbers for) and have others try to fill in the blanks, not just those found in the pages of Motor Sport. I'm sure there are many others - any help with identifying old photos would be appreciated.

To start with, here's the 6C 1500s.

0111.200 6C 1500 UV 3575
0111.578 6C 1500 UL 7580
0111.638 6C 1500 UX 3920
0111.653 6C 1500 FO 8225
0111.690 6C 1500 PN 3342
0211.484 6C 1500 PG 602
0211.501 6C 1500 GC 5870 (also GH 8878)
0312.871 6C 1500 UV 818
0312.872 6C 1500 UV 819
0312.873 6C 1500 GU 9699
0312.874 6C 1500 GU 8733
851.3027 6C 1500 GH 1557
????????? 6C 1500 HOU 267 (advertised by D.White in MS 5/54)
????????? 6C 1500 RD 92 (advertised by Dan Margulies in MS 6/79)
????????? 6C 1500 YX 3647 (pictured in Roy Bacon's book Alfa in Pictures)

Regards,
Damien

Aha! HOU267 is s/n 0211462 (shown attached; sorry for the revesed photo[not my doing] and the transposed s/n [my doing]).

Does anyone have the MS advert from 5/54?

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Aha! HOU267 is s/n 0211462 (shown attached; sorry for the revesed photo[not my doing] and the transposed s/n [my doing]).

Does anyone have the MS advert from 5/43?

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G'day Peter,

Thanks - this is exactly what I'd been hoping for, more pieces of the jigsaw puzzle falling into place. As I said earlier, my copies of Motor Sport are back in Sydney and I'm now in Newport Beach, CA but from notes the car was offered by a Mr. D.White at 360 pds in the May 1954 issue.

On 0211.462, this was a Zagato that was sold by Peter Harper to a Dr. Burschinger of California c.1973, then restored by Hill & Vaughn (RIP Phil Hill, a great champion) in 1977-1978. Shown at Pebble by Jack Becronis in 1978 and 1982, also did the Monterey Historics those years. I believe it has been with Martin Swig in more recent years?

Please keep the information coming - John, I'm really looking forward to your list!

Cheers,
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G'day Peter,

Thanks - this is exactly what I'd been hoping for, more pieces of the jigsaw puzzle falling into place. As I said earlier, my copies of Motor Sport are back in Sydney and I'm now in Newport Beach, CA but from notes the car was offered by a Mr. D.White at 360 pds in the May 1954 issue.

On 0211.462, this was a Zagato that was sold by Peter Harper to a Dr. Burschinger of California c.1973, then restored by Hill & Vaughn (RIP Phil Hill, a great champion) in 1977-1978. Shown at Pebble by Jack Becronis in 1978 and 1982, also did the Monterey Historics those years. I believe it has been with Martin Swig in more recent years?

Please keep the information coming - John, I'm really looking forward to your list!

Cheers,
Damien

Just bought the 5/54 MS off of Ebay!

Your info is correct to my knowlege as of Dr. Burschinger- Jack Becronis purchased the car from Dr. Burschinger in 1975, and owned it until his death in 1993. Following Jack's passing, 0211462 was sold via auction by his then-widow to a Thomas Milton, then to a Mr. Yamaguchi, and then to Martin Swig in around 2002.

Would you have any information on Peter Harper, or any owners prior to Mr. Harper?

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G'day Peter,

I have a feeling this car went through several auctions, including Brooks' Monterey in August 1998, RM's Amelia Island in March 2001 and finally RM's Monterey in August 2001 where it sold - probably to the current owner.

As for Peter Harper, he is/was a dealer specialising in Rolls-Royces, Bentleys etc.

Last known address; Stretton House, Stretton, Cheshire WA4 4PF

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