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6C10814367 spent a good portion of its life in France and was last reported there.
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6C10814368 is a spider by Zagato with distinctive fender ("wing") shapes that were copied onto a mostly newly made body put onto 6C10814318 when both cars were restored in England during the 1990's. First mention is made of 10814368 (and "AXA758" in records kept 1934 by Jack Bartlett, a dealer in the UK. We know this thanks to Simon Moore who received transcripts of the records from Denis Jenkinson ... and shared them. We can also guess that the UK plate issued to this car (see photo below) was issued 1934, as the earliest "AXA" plates were issued December 1933. There is undoubtedly additional early UK ownership history to be described/clarified and some of it may be covered in an auction catalogue description of 2008.

Thanks to Ron Shaw and Dabney Collins (source of the nose-on view below ... and another), we know the car came to Colorado during 1952 or perhaps 1953 as the result of an ad by Automo Ltd. in Hampstead. The LF quarter view shows the car at Georgetown, Colorado during 1953. By the late 1950's, the car had gone east to Virginia, then to Pennsylvania, to New York, back to Pennsylvania, to Connecticutt and then to a Japanese owner who probably never took it to Japan but had restoration work done in England. He also owned 6C10814318 and there were confusions for a good long time as to which car had received a new body while both cars were restored in the same shop. See the descriptions of 10814318 above for some added clarification. Some of the confusions were complicated by auction catalogue descriptions that were highly inaccurate at times about each of the two cars. The confusion ran so deep that it is sometimes impossible to be certain which car is being described in some of the descriptions.

When auctioned 2008, there was acceptance of 6C10814368 as being largely original and I have subsequently been given additional proof via Peter Mooser, owner of 6C10814318. I am awaiting an invitation by the current owner of 6C10814368 to visit the car and learn from it while giving him photos of the car during its restoration in England.
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Didn't see this other than in your list - one of the few Zagatos with disappearing top ...

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Hi, I am a grad student in Canada and study early racing and cars. I am doing a Field Study at a museum with an Alfa 1750 Zagato and I have the serial number and would like to try to trace its provenance and was hoping someone here could give me some pointers. I can not obtain the Cherrett book but I understand it lists the serial numbers of this year and model? The engine serial is 10814329. Can you point me to somewhere that I can look that up to start my research? I appreciate your help very much! I also am the author of The First American Grand Prix: The Savannah Races 1908-1911 and love the early Fiat Grand Prix cars.

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Hi Tanya -- Welcome to AlfaBB!

The production numbers in Fusi's book (posted here) may be a good starting point for your research.

Angela Cherrett's 1989 book only lists a summary of chassis or engine numbers (similar to Fusi, probably from the same source) and nothing about the history of individual cars. Same for d'Amico & Tabucchi's book. Fusi, together with Slater, also wrote a book about the 6C 1750 that was published in 1968, which, if I recall correctly (I don't have this book but studied it once when I did research on a 6C 1750), has some interesting technical information (such as fuel mixtures), but also no information about individual cars.

John de Boer may have some info about the car you're researching in his registry -- let's see if he chimes in.

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Thank you so much for your help! This is a great start for me.
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I can not obtain the Cherrett book but I understand it lists the serial numbers of this year and model?
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Hi Tanya, still looking for the Cherrett book? I would have a v.g. one for sale, pls let me know and send me your email address for further details.
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Hi Wolf,
I would love a copy but I could not afford the ones I found online (I'm on a student budget and don't get paid my museum work). How much are you selling for?

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Tanya, as mentioned my copy is in v.g. condition, asking price €95 + p&p
This thread is Alfa Romeo 6C1750 Gran Sport - Fifth Series only, so pls reply directly to cairos1(at)gmx(dot)de
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To save you looking, Fusi and Slater, 1968 edition, does list the owners and location of some 1750 6c chassis, but not this number.

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Hello Tanya,

Both of the books mentioned (Cherrett and Fusi/Slater) are good resources for general information and each makes mention of quite a number of chassis numbers. Angela Cherrett's book has many numbers buried in the text and photo captions while the Fusi/Slater book has a chart of cars that were known to them during their studies as of the middle to late 1960's. I should say "charts"! The Fusi/Slater book has an English language edition and also an Italian edition that came out about a year after the English language version. The Italian edition has a chassis listing that incorporates a fair bit of "news" that is missing from the English-language version. Neither mentions the car you are studying.

I have received some scant information about your study car only in recent years, maybe beginning about ten years ago? Enough to know that it has been in Canada after it spent some time in England. If you will fill out the attached form as much as you can with numerical information that can be found on the major mechanical elements and the body, then we will be able to place it more precisely in the production line-up. Photos of each of the numbers will add context. Sometimes, it can be difficult to get our heads into positions to see some of the numbers and digital cameras (and mirrors at times) often allow us to see axle numbers, supercharger numbers and gearbox numbers (and more) without disassembling the car.

If you have any historical data at all, it may help me to identify a possible candidate among one of my many leads to cars that are not yet identified by chassis number.

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Hi John,
I will be out working with the car late this week and will see what pictures I can get. Thank you SO much for your help.
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6c10814368 axa 758

Ref the above my Father was the owner during WW2 when he owned a Motor business in Newport Gwent in the UK. I would like the present owner to contact me as we have the original handbook for this car and would like to reunite it with the car. We have two photographs of AXA 758 showing my Mother in one and my Father in the other.
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Thanks to Peter who posted in the last previous message, we have learned additional history for 6C10814368 and I have placed Peter in contact with the owner of the car. Still searching for more history and context for all of these cars and those not yet described in these pages.

Thanks also to "Alleggerita"! Little by little, I am working my way to a description of 6C10814402. More to follow in short order!

Happy New Year! already in some parts of the world and about to happen to the remainder over the next few hours.

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