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"10814339" ... as reported

Following the description of the salvation of the engine and transmission described briefly above ...

A car claiming the "10814339" identity first appeared during the 1980's to my studies. It had supposedly received a restoration by Pettenella and appeared to us in spider Zagato form. The engine was said to be "1212150326" but this reported number has an extra digit over what we might expect. Perhaps it has (or had) engine "6C121215036" or "6C121215026"? The car did a succession of Mille Miglia events from 1987 to 1995. The annual photo yearbook for the 1995 event reported the car as chassis "10814338".

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"10814339" ... as reported simultaneously for a time

A second chassis numbered "10814339" was seen during May of 1992 by a friend when he visited the shop of Aldo Cesaro. My friend (also a 6C "Gran Sport" owner), thought the chassis seemed genuine. There was no engine in it at the time. Both the gearbox and the rear axle housing were from cars that were much earlier. The gear carrier was numbered as if it was from a slightly earlier car and had a ratio marking (10/51) that is not typical of a "Gran Sport".

Just another mystery to study when there is time to do so!
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10814314

Bonhams is offering 10814314 in Paris next February.

Bonhams : Formerly the property of Giuseppe Campari ,1931 Alfa Romeo 6C 1750 Supercharged Gran Sport Spider Chassis no. AR 108 14314 Engine no. AR 108 14314

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1931 ALFA ROMEO 6C 1750 SUPERCHARGED GRAN SPORT SPIDER
Coachwork by Zagato Chassis no. AR 108 14314 Engine no. AR 108 14314
€1.8 millones - 2.4 millones
£1.4 millones - 1.9 millones

Formerly the property of Giuseppe Campari
1931 Alfa Romeo 6C 1750 Supercharged Gran Sport Spider
Coachwork by Zagato
Chassis no. AR 108 14314
Engine no. AR 108 14314
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10814340

6C10814340 was first registered May 1931 in Genova. Later traded back to Alfa Romeo where it was refurbished and sold to a dealer in London as part of a batch of cars described by the attached advertisement of 1934. The engine was sitting in chassis 6C10814381 last I knew.
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Posting #32 ... related to 6C10814326

I have edited posting #32 as the result of a more careful review of Touring body number information collected to date and relating those numbers to some 6C2300 cars for which delivery dates are known.

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Posting 22 has been edited based on new information received about the early ownership history of 6C10814318.

Posting 30 (discussing 6C10814324) has been edited with newly discovered history.

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This is what I know about 6C 10814324.
My father, Petronio Barone (born in Caserta on January 24th, 1911 and died in Rome on June 15th, 2015) loved cars and speed, but he never raced. He was an officer at the Italian central bank (Banca d’Italia). He owned two Alfa Romeo 1750 6C. He bought (and sold) the first one in Rome (plate: Roma 32144). Here are some pictures, taken near Pola (Istria County, Croatia), where my father served in the Army as an artillery officer.
In 1937, he left to Addis Ababa (Ethiopia), where he bought 6C 10814324 (plate: ER 6393). Here are some pictures.
My father left 6C 10814324 in Addis Ababa when the English troops sent him to Kenya, in 1941.
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On the web I found a document where an Alfa Romeo 1750 GS 4^ series, sent to Eastern Africa (plate: Roma 23855), is mentioned. I wrote to the document’s author and he kindly provided me with the license of circulation of ER 6393, released in Eritrea. Here it is.
In the license, it is written that the car’s previous plate is Vicenza 7875. I wrote to the Automobil Club Vicenza and they kindly provided me with the original license of circulation. Here it is.
A friend of mine, who lived for a while in Addis Abeba, told me that - until 1951 - the car was in Addis Ababa, where it participated to some races. Then, probably, it was sent to the USA.
That’s all, as far I know.
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6C10814324 redux

Grazie "noidea"! This is all good material. I will seek added detail about 10814324's early years. When this car was first reported to me a few years ago, I was told it was owned by "Gaetano Barone", or perhaps I assumed this, if I was told only that it was "Barone's car"? It was Gaetano Barone who raced quite a lot in Eritrea in a wide variety of cars, including an Alfa Romeo 8C as well as some Fiat, Maserati and Ferrari cars. I am pleased to know that there was not only one "Barone" in Asmara, Eritrea.

If you've not already researched the Roma32144 plate, I will ask Corrado Bellabarba to do so. The car appears to be perhaps a 4th Series "Gran Sport" but 5th Series "Gran Sport" is also possible, as is a late 3rd Series "Super Sport", some of which adopted some 4th Series features, such as the front damper location."Spyder Zagato" seems almost certain.

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10814341

6C10814341 had a body by Touring that was quite special. It was one of quite a number of bodies by Touring that were called "Flying Star" and this particular Flying Star was quite flamboyant when compared to some others. The body number seems likely to be "1122" even if it is marked less prominently than many (or most?) bodies by Touring. First registered July 1931 in Genova, it was displayed by Josette Pozzo at Villa d'Este in September of that same year. The car was awarded the "Coppa d'Oro - Gran Premio Referendum" which is something of a "Best In Show" type award that was selected by a certain team of judges. In those days, concours events were used as marketing tools for body builders to promote their wares so that additional orders for their companies' work would (hopefully!) roll in. Today's concours world is generally quite different. Restoration shops are now selling their skills to impress judges and woo new customers who wish to win awards.

During July 1932, ownership transferred officially to Josette Pozzo's father, Federico. During March of 1937, ownership transferred to Ermanno Perrod of Torino. Perrod owned a number of Alfa Romeo cars, generally through his business name "Ditta Ermanno Perrod" but it seems this car was owned legally by Perrod himself. We have to acknowledge the possibility that he owned the car earlier even if the sale was not recorded until March, 1937?

Later in 1937, 6C10814341 came to the USA. Arthur Iselin raced it in New York in a "Coupe Sport" race held at Roosevelt Raceway (September 25) and was 3rd o/a.

I do not know all the interim owners, but 10814341 was offered during the 1960's by a doctor in New York. It was owned during the late 1980's by Tom Perkins and appears in a book written by him. 10814341 passed 1990/1991 to a new owner in California who left it displayed at the "Blackhawk Museum" for a few years. It passed then to a new owner who generally prefers to remain anonymous in published listings and other references. The car has been seen in public in recent years.
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Thank you, John.
No, I didn’t do any research on the Roma 32144 plate.
Besides, please note that - according to the author of the article that I found on the web (“Le Targhe e i veicoli del corpo forestale”) - the Alfa Romeo 1750 GS 4^ series with plate Roma 23855 was sent to India “dove si trova tutt’oggi in stato di abbandono” (where it is still today in a state of neglect).
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Grazie ...

Nessun'idea ("noidea") ... non sembra completamente vero ...
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6C8513048 will be discussed in a similar thread that describes the Fourth Series "Gran Sport" cars. I have seen in recent years a car in Italy that claims the identity. I had no reason to doubt its fundamental correctness. In part, this was because I knew that the car had been modified more than once when almost new ... and again while still quite young. I did not expect to find that everything was absolutely "original".
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Alfa Romeo 6C10814342

10814342

Two cars seem to exist today claiming this chassis number. At this point, I can suggest that a restoration project existing today (without body) is probably more likely to represent the original car than another which was "restored" during the 1980's with a new "Zagato" style body by Dino Cognolato's "Carrozzeria Nova Rinascente" in Italy.

I do not yet know much about either car at this point, but some additional data should be coming soon? I hope!
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