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post #1 of 11 (permalink) Old 07-20-2019, 01:50 AM Thread Starter
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Duetto '67 with S2 VIN

Hi All,
Just bought my third Alfa.....my first ever car was a 1.5 Super Sud bought in '85 which I loved....I blew a head gasket on it which screwed the engine so had it replaced with a 1.3ti lump and that was a lovely handling bit of kit........blew that up too though so the affair was over.....until 3 years ago when I saw a very tired looking S3 spider for sale and thought 'weekend car' .....I'm a transport manager so spoke with the body shop I use and after a fair bit of umming and ahhhring they agreed to take it on.....after many phone calls to Classic Alfa and Alfa Mick (I'm sure we all know an Alfa Mick or Dave or John?), parts were gathered and fitted, credit cards were stretched and my second affair was well on it's way and has been particularly great this year as I'm on Gardening leave this summer so have been all over the UK in her.......Now to the crux of this post, my head was recently turned by an ad for a Duetto Spider project.......yes that one....I saw that the V5 was wrong and that the VIN is wrong too but, the fact is, the car feels right.......I bought the car for a great price for a '67 project or a slightly high price for a '76 S2. I've had it looked at by my body shop and they are not phased by what they see. They think the welding is solid but unfinished....there are issues and more will, no doubt, arise.....I called Classic Alfa and ordered panels and work will commence over the next month or two.

Regarding the V5 issues my first step will be to contact the DVLA and have the engine cc corrected as it is a 1750

I have contacted Italy to get the definitive answer on what the VIN in the car shows in their records.....my hope is it's a quirk of Italian origin, my expectation is it's listed as a Series 2 2000 in Prototype Yellow.....we'll see.

Next I will endeavour to get the car itself identified.....I have scraped the paint back in several areas and this confirms what the previous owner states, it was white when he bought it in the early 90's and painted red around 95....I have annual Mot's that confirm this change. Regarding the paint, there are two layers and the layers are consistent over the entire car so if this is a hybrid it was done a long time ago when the price differential wouldn't have been worth the effort. I believe in 1993 the car cost 4.5k....

My question to you all is what features define a 67 duetto?

In my view the car is beautiful.....she starts and drives well with the usual sticky second gear. I received a spare gearbox with the car which I'm gonna get rebuilt for my series 3.

My hope is that the Alfa community will endeavour to help me prove it is a 67 car as, surely, that would be a good thing?

All in all I'm happy with the deal....The affair continues with a beautiful Italian girl with a chequered past and dubious parentage, what could possibly go wrong!
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S2 would be a Kamm Tail. The 1750 Spider Veloce, looks very much like the 1600 "Duetto". Can you post a picture of the engine compartment?

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Hi yep as I said it's an early 1750 with a Series 2 VIN.

Car's in workshop so no access for pics.

I'm looking into provenance with AROC and Alfa.

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Can you provide the VIN that's stamped on the firewall?
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Hi it's the same car that everyone was having a bun fight about last year. AR247079 which should be on a series 2 RHD car supplied in PT Yellow manufactured around late74. This definitely isn't that car.

What I'm after is parts of the car that differ from the Kamm tail....apart from the rear shape of course and dash and doors.
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Hi it's the same car that everyone was having a bun fight about last year. AR247079 which should be on a series 2 RHD car supplied in PT Yellow manufactured around late74. This definitely isn't that car.

What I'm after is parts of the car that differ from the Kamm tail....apart from the rear shape of course and dash and doors.
Hej,

Recv. youíre message. Do you have a link to the bunfight thread. From memory it was interesting discussion (with all sorts of bias etc)

Happy to help with any info I can share about the differences Iíve noted as I restore my own Duetto (S1 1600). I donít have OCD knowledge of VIN/Chassis numbers and the Fusi numbers that people often quote have similarly been shown to be incomplete.

In anycase, let us know what you have and we will do our best to solve the mystery and give you the support you need to restore her (him, your choice)

'66 1600 Duetto | '73 1600 GTJunior | '03 156 1.9JTD Sportwagon | '11 Giulietta QV (wow, revelation) | I really don't need this many Alfa's...
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Hi it's the same car that everyone was having a bun fight about last year. AR247079 which should be on a series 2 RHD car supplied in PT Yellow manufactured around late74. This definitely isn't that car.

What I'm after is parts of the car that differ from the Kamm tail....apart from the rear shape of course and dash and doors.
It's not uncommon to see roundtail bits grafted to an S2 chassis. If I remember correctly from my readings in the Tabouchi book, there weren't many roundtails made past 1970.

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AROC are helping me with investigating it's origins...if it's an S2 Kamtail the conversion was incredibly thorough and must have been done in the late 80's or early 90's and included changing it from factory RHD to LHD which would have
been odd in the UK market.....it also has standing peddles ....I'm gonna take a look at the car tomorrow to see if the fire wall has been modified/ has extra holes etc......have you got pics of your 1600?



Hey Craig, thanks......I think if you put the VIN and Alfa Spider in a search engine the thread will come up.
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I retrieved the original chassis number which begins 1411 so it's a Euro Series 1 1750 Spider Veloce probably a '69.
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Thank you Sir....a little too interesting perhaps!.....Just waiting for Alfa to get back into the swing of things following their summer holidays. AROC in UK still awaiting their reply 're production details for the original vin but I think white with black interior and early 69 based on various lists. They replied to my earlier inquiry about 2470979 and confirm it is from a 74 series 2 in Prototype Yellow with black vinyl interior which is definitely not this car....there's absolutely no yellow anywhere on the car although I did find a tiny spot on the base of the 2 on the 247 chassis plate........What do you own?
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Things progressing well with renovation.....could be a few weeks until ready for primer.....repaired boot lid needed a bit of fettling by Mr Singh. New rear panel sharpened things up and gave her that cute butt back.
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