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post #1 of 22 (permalink) Old 04-27-2010, 09:40 AM Thread Starter
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613338

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have see this car italy 2004 under resto.


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post #2 of 22 (permalink) Old 04-29-2010, 12:33 AM
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That Gta is in Portugal since new.

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I really don't know what you want to achieve with this thread, but one thing is certain: There's one Gta 1600 in Portugal chassis number 613338 and this car is in Portugal since new, now restored and well kept. If you like Alfas you should respect them more...

I really regret starting the Portuguese Gtas thread. Unfortunately there were several chassis numbers revealed... and now here's the problem.

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This is starting to happen way too often.
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Hello Dear Friend

First of all I must say that you are a robber.

It is impossible for you to see this car in Italy. It has been in Portugal for 40 years
Your pictures are the pictures of a ****er.
Can you explain the reason it took you 6 years to report this.
It seems to me that you have been registered in ALFABB for a long time
So why it took you so long

BECAUSE YOU ARE A ****ER TRYING TO FIND IF THIS CHASSIS NUMBER IS
AVAIBLE. BE VERY CAREFULL BECAUSE NOW WE ALL KNOW THAT YOU ARE TRYING
TO MAKE A CAR WITH THIS CHASSIS NUMBER

I HAVE KNOWN THIS CAR PERSONALLY FOR 18N YEARS. THAS WAS THE FIRST TIME I SAW IT.AND I KNOW FOR SURE IT WAS ALWAYS IN PORTUGAL

SO TRY A DIFERENT CHASSIS NUMBER. THIS ONE IS NOT AVAIABLE. OK
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Do not try my chassis number pls. Guess good trhat i revealed the chassis number of my car here on this forum. Thanks guys.
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This is the reason people SHOULDN T NEVER put in here or any other forums chassis number of special cars.
There is always a xxxxker ready to make a copy.

This here at the Portelo party at the Alfa romeo Museuum there where a couple of brithish taking a lot of pictures of the GTAM car even open the doors and the bonnet ( YOU ARE NOT ALOWWED ) and the said in this forum already that they are making a copy of a GTAM. Hope in a few months they dont turn up with a very rare BARN FIND: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

In the computer of the Centro Documentazion alfa romeo there are 3 places for the register of the GTA

1- original
2- suspicious
3 FALSE

IT is my duty and all of the real ALFA ROMEO LOVERS to come foward and tell all the false cars they know.
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I do not think that the chassis number of a car should be a secret. Owners of real cars usually have documents and history. Since it is now possible that another car with VIN *613338* comes up from Italy, most of the interested Alfa lovers are warned.
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this is the reason why i do not like ground up full blown , overly detailed restorations on these cars , when you see one of these perfect , over restored gta's that one sees often for sale it is really in ,my opinion ,a mistake to take away from these cars the patina of time , and legitmacy ......and it then becomes difficult to differ a real from a false .....difficult but not impossible..........anyhow the real harm is if one uses a serial number of a car that does no longer exist , becasue it then becomes questionable weather it is or not ......but in the cases of "cloning" of a serial number of an existing car i really see not much harm in it given that if someone had the same serial number as my 66 gta for example and you placed them side by side anyone with am minumum of common automotive sense would see the original vehicle from the reconstructed one .....
this is why ,again in my opinion, the cars that are in original conditions ( yes dirty floorpans underneath , yes not car show like engine bays , yes slightly worn upholstery, yes stained headliner, yes worn wood on the sterring wheel etc.etc.etc...yes 45 years of life on the car visible ....) are the cars that should be worth more A LOT MORE at auctions and general market because they are true ( very few ...) coserved legitimate time pieces .............versus ground up super shiny floorpanned etc.etc... over restored cars which compete directly with the false one in order to establish their legitimacy because it's almost impossible to tell which is which ............and i repeat almost impossible .........these should be worth less much less independently of the fact that maybe the restoration costed more then the asking price...................................
of course if you find a gta ( and there are not many to find anymore trust me ) in pityful conditions you have not much choice other than tearing it all apart ....but alas it will never be in my opinion as good as an unrestored example ........and will always be more prone to being questioned on it's authenticity .....................................
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Stories and fakes-

Will always be a part of the landscape in this world. It would be a shame to not hear the wonderful stories and see the great pictures out of fear that people are going to "lift" chassis numbers- it's always going to happen! The do not over restore thing is well taken also- as someone who does this for a living it's a constant struggle -but better to be on the "leave original as possible" side of things. There will always be people who over-restore. Documentation is everything- it takes time and effort but in the end keeps the fakes from spreading around.
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This particular 1966 «GTA Stradale», chassis #AR613338, was registred in Portugal by the official Alfa Romeo dealership in Lisbon - MOCAR, Lda - in March 1966 with license plate FG-35-68. Portuguese license plates are issued individually to a specific car and stay with the car untinl it's scrapped or exported.
In July 1966, the «GTA» was registered to Mr. Luiz Passanha, one of the managers at MOCAR that kept it for a little bit more than one year.
In 1966, Portuguese racing driver Carlos Gaspar, raced and won the Portuguese Touring Car Championship with a brand new «GTA Corsa». Wishing to emulate that success driving a «GTA» on the road, Mr. Jorge Soares Mendes, whose father had raced an Alfa Romeo 8C in the 1930's, bought FG-35-68 from Mr. Passanha in July 1967.
Mr. Soares Mendes had started racing in 1964 with his daily driver, an «Alfa Romeo Giulietta Spider», unbolting the bumpers before the race and bolting them back after, driving it back home again.
As he had done with the «Giulietta Spider», Mr. Soares Mendes entered a few club level rallyes with the «GTA», as well a very consistent race at the 1968 «Granja do Marquês» ouring Car race, achieving 8th position overall, among some very well prepared Ford Cortina Lotus, Escort Twin Cam, a few Mini Cooper S and Renault 8 Gordini.
Mr. Soares Mendes «GTA» was a standard everyday car, but inspired by Carlos Gaspar «GTA Corsa», he painted his «GTA» wheels white, for a closer resemblance with a proper racing car.
In 1971 Mr. Soares Mendes sold his beloved «GTA» to a well-known car dealer called António Ferreira de Almeida that kept it unregistered (it was not mandatory at the time) until 1976 to a Mr. Vasco André Lopes. In 1984 an Alfa Romeo enthusiast, expert and race driver called Xavier Moreira bought it for his private collection and kept it until in 1994 it was bought by Mr. Manuel Ferrão. At the time, even though the «GTA» was very complete and esteemed, it was in need of comprehensive restoration. It was commissioned to several Alfa Romeo specialists, returning the «GTA» to its former glory.
Afterwards it has featured the cover of a Portuguese classic car magazine and appeared on a few selected events.
In 2008 Mr. Ferrão sold the car to another Alfa Romeo enthusiast, Mr. José Barros, that kept it in his collection for five years, selling it back to Mr. Manuel Ferrão, who once more meticulously restored it once more and painted the wheels white as a tribute to Mr. Soares Mendes who raced it like that.
This a totally restored matching numbers «GTA Stradale», with documented history and in excellent condition.
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in 1994 it was bought by Mr. Manuel Ferrão. At the time, even though the «GTA» was very complete and esteemed, it was in need of comprehensive restoration. It was commissioned to several Alfa Romeo specialists, returning the «GTA» to its former glory.
Afterwards it has featured the cover of a Portuguese classic car magazine and appeared on a few selected events.
I guess we are ignoring the possibility that the several Alfa Romeo specialists mentioned were in Italy and this car was restored there in 2004, and once completed returned to Portugal?

I also believe the best way to deal with these FAKE makers is to sing from the tree tops when you purchase a special car, ensuring the whole world knows that you own AR-XXXXXX ... then if anybody attempts to fake your car everybody will call BS
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This is the reason people SHOULDN T NEVER put in here or any other forums chassis number of special cars.
There is always a xxxxker ready to make a copy.

This here at the Portelo party at the Alfa romeo Museuum there where a couple of brithish taking a lot of pictures of the GTAM car even open the doors and the bonnet ( YOU ARE NOT ALOWWED ) and the said in this forum already that they are making a copy of a GTAM. Hope in a few months they dont turn up with a very rare BARN FIND: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

In the computer of the Centro Documentazion alfa romeo there are 3 places for the register of the GTA

1- original
2- suspicious
3 FALSE

IT is my duty and all of the real ALFA ROMEO LOVERS to come foward and tell all the false cars they know.
In my opinion it is better to broadcast your chassis number at every opportunity . It is then less likely than anybody else will try to use it!
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