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post #346 of 395 (permalink) Old 05-10-2014, 04:36 AM
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Hi Vince

It was really nice to meet you and your wife in Australia.

I am a bit shocked at the poison pen you have posted on here about me....

Look forward to seeing you next year.

Have a nice day now....
Hi Roz
It was nice to meet you too here in Australia, your friendly nature and hard work unloading & re-loading cars into containers was most welcomed too. I would have been there to help you too, but for our accident circumstances.
Re your Jagermeister car, during the weekend and the weeks after I was inundated with questions from people asking, discussing, speculating the merits of its originality as a genuine period GTAm or a replica.
During the visit here it has variously been described as an ex-works team Autodelta car, an original ETCC with its original paint scheme, an unknown Italian team car or a replica....so there is much confusion. I could only comment what I observed.
It is a puzzle, so far at least, there appears to be no recorded information in the ETCC records, or GTA/m books etc about a GTAm matching its number, a German delivered 2000GTV. Not that I or others who have tried could find anyway.
So, can you fill us in on the details and tell us first-hand one way or the other of its history?
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PS, elsewhere on this forum, Ken Geiger (Kengta) is seeking all RHD GTA's. Now I can only find pics a GT when I google you for GTA, do you have another car?
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Hi there,

to zagato-olaf,

first of all, I made all the pictures you post of 1531230, around 10 years ago, not anybody. And I have again other pictures of this car.

this car was stamped like that before 1978. (date when I first hear about that car). At this era, it wasn't a problem of value, because these cars were not object of speculation. so the chassis number stampde like that stay in his first appearance after the body restoration in the mid 80's.

I give you some other pictures of the car :
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Thank you for sharing the pictures

Hello Pescara,

Thank you for sharing the pictures and documentation.

Ciao, Olaf

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post #349 of 395 (permalink) Old 01-04-2016, 08:07 AM
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Hi,
that is 1533142, was sold 1998 from Switzerland to germany. Giovannitedesco
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Hello,
I'm Davide from Italu. I run an Historic Race Cars Team.
I have a customer who would like to buy a GTAm to race next year.
I have found one in Italy with chassis no. AR 1366855, I just wanted to make sure if it was a 1750GTV or a 2000GTV.
It should be series 105.44 as far as I understood.
Thanks for your help
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Hello,
I'm Davide from Italu. I run an Historic Race Cars Team.
I have a customer who would like to buy a GTAm to race next year.
I have found one in Italy with chassis no. AR 1366855, I just wanted to make sure if it was a 1750GTV or a 2000GTV.
It should be series 105.44 as far as I understood.
Thanks for your help
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Hello David, while I am no GTAm expert (hopefully someone else will respond also) I would say to BE CAREFUL with a 105.44 so called GTAm.

GTAm are supposed to be built from 105.51 chassis which was the export to USA version and have serial numbers that are AR *153####* and that is how most real ones are documented. BUT the book Alleggerita 2nd edition does list 4 GTAm based on 105.44 chassis. Your number above is not one of them.

Perhaps you have found a real one previously unknown but not likely. There are many GTAm look a likes built so one needs to be careful when buying if you want a real one and are paying a real price.

The serial number AR 1366855 would be correct for Tipo 105.44 1750 GTV.

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Hello David, while I am no GTAm expert (hopefully someone else will respond also) I would say to BE CAREFUL with a 105.44 so called GTAm.

GTAm are supposed to be built from 105.51 chassis which was the export to USA version and have serial numbers that are AR *153####* and that is how most real ones are documented. BUT the book Alleggerita 2nd edition does list 4 GTAm based on 105.44 chassis. Your number above is not one of them.

Perhaps you have found a real one previously unknown but not likely. There are many GTAm look a likes built so one needs to be careful when buying if you want a real one and are paying a real price.

The serial number AR 1366855 would be correct for 1750 GTV.

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Hi Ken,

yes I know all the history of GTAm. I didn't clear myself properly.
The one I found, I know it is not a real GTAm, I just wanted to know if the chassis number of the car was of a road 1750GTV or a road 2000GTV.
But I think you already answered to my question.

Thank you for you time
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Hi Ken,

yes I know all the history of GTAm. I didn't clear myself properly.
The one I found, I know it is not a real GTAm, I just wanted to know if the chassis number of the car was of a road 1750GTV or a road 2000GTV.
But I think you already answered to my question.

Thank you for you time
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OK Good. If you look in the forward trunk (boot) water channel (the channel near the rear window) mid way side to side you should find stamped the Tipo # and the Omologato #. Many times there is so much paint there that it is hard to find.

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In fact, for historic racing, with a HTP, the basic car type used is not what is important, but the homologation number used to build en prepare the car. You can use either a 1750, or 1300/1600 even 2000 body to build a car on 1750 GTam homologation.
(it is even possible to use a steel step front as base for a car on GTA homologation.)
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1530834

just found GTAm1530834 "Alfa Romeo GTAm AR*1530834 was entered in the 1972 24hr Spa Francorchamps finishing 22nd overall in Group 2 Driven by: Dino Pizzinato/Jean Welchenbach"
she is now in Orange California.
i'm also looking for my dad's gtam, raced once by the late g. raptopoulos at tatoi Greece. She was red with a black front. Believe it or not my dad used it as our family car in 1970!

All the best
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just found GTAm1530834 "Alfa Romeo GTAm AR*1530834 was entered in the 1972 24hr Spa Francorchamps finishing 22nd overall in Group 2 Driven by: Dino Pizzinato/Jean Welchenbach"
she is now in Orange California.
i'm also looking for my dad's gtam, raced once by the late g. raptopoulos at tatoi Greece. She was red with a black front. Believe it or not my dad used it as our family car in 1970!

All the best
Ioannis


Actually Alfa Romeo-Autodelta GTAm AR*1530834 is now at J&L Fabricating in Puyallup, WA https://www.facebook.com/GTAm1530834/
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Mark,

Glad to see things are going along with the GTAm restoration. And to think the illicitly-dubbed Cava beige 1750 was almost chopped up to create a homage! My garage is happy to safeguard it from the torches Look forward to seeing the completed project, when are you back down in Florida?

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Mark,

I think you may have mentioned that to me last year, glad to see that one is coming together. I assume that will be more of your "FL market - hot rodded track car" vs the PNW period correct GTA/GTAm collection

Just passed 500 miles on the engine rebuild this past weekend so gonna retorque and then finally can start opening this 1750 up. Might be time to get on track for a session maybe
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Hello, I have a GTAm Replica in verde pino.
I want to race the car this year in Germany in some historic races.
But before that it should get a more racier touch with some period style race decals.
Were there any original GTAm in verde pino?
I was thinking about using the Team Holland SRT Elf graphics.
Any other ideas?
Thank you

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Nice car! Markus N. build I think. not for this topic as it is about the real deal btw..

The SRT team Elf car in Holland was not verde pino but a totally different color.
(no alfa color).
I do not know if there were any (historicly important) verde pino GTam`s around..
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