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Still, a bit of a reality check for those that think these cars are on some sort of ballistic price curve akin to dotcom booms.

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Good point Steve105.

Professionals use masking tape to show the sander the body line and sand up to it, remove masking tape and put on other side of the line and the sand down to the line ...

The hot rod community show us all how to do this, and horrifyingly start by laying filler all over the car and then sanding 95% of it off!
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Still, a bit of a reality check for those that think these cars are on some sort of ballistic price curve akin to dotcom booms.
This one being a high arch car probably less sought after, only got to $30k and is now relisted.
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/33316956...m=333169569116

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Over the last two decades or so when we have been too busy to restore our 105 cars, we (most of us) have opted to enter concourse and show and shines events (to win trophies or for what ever reason), using more modern cars (not 105s) And we wonder why in general it takes decades to even know what the correct interior and exterior looks like on a 105 car.

To remove the BAT car from it's current hybrid state there are a few things you can do.
If the factory lists the interior of the BAT car as coming with a Bertone DeLuxe, leather interior then this is the path I think you should take (Red or dark brown), see the numerous posts here on AlfaBB, there is even a company that will do the perforations for you in the US. Otherwise if the car came in vinyl, but you want leather see my previous statement. You will need one stainless trim per door for leather door cards. If you don't mind vinyl the car can still be redone in reproduction vinyl for the seats and door cards select one of the 2 colours you can get here is just one company's offerings. Not sure if the reproduction door cards use stainless trims, if they don't have to find two more stainless trims and have them made up. Vinyl colours are light brown, black or grey.
https://www.alfaholics.com/parts/105...over-full-set/
the door cards come in black or brown, for grey you have to make them up.
https://www.alfaholics.com/parts/105...inal-black-or/
https://www.alfaholics.com/parts/105...el-arch-cover/
You definitely need a set of rear seats for the frames and foam

The B.A.T car shows us in 2019 a 1600 engine will only last if you build it to last, regardless of who could have carried this out in it's life. There are some engines that have serious issues while others that don't. It's not as if members on Alfabb will not assist with advice and recommendations, but you have to start from scratch with a 1600 engine. Now with the 1600 BAT engine partly disassembled it needs a cylinder/ valve train and probably best to review/reuse the block if possible as 1967 blocks are hard to come by.
Check the crank, if it's going to end up at 10, 20, 30, 40 thou find another one (race ones are around for $$, get some performance pistons and liners and conrods etc while you are at it. By the time you go through this car with the needed repairs and some optional performance upgrades as per factory parts manuals and FIA homologation for 1967 GTV /race rules, for diff and gearbox I think it will get close to a valuation of ~$80k by the time you finish in 18 months time.
Good luck to the seller/buyer
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Still, a bit of a reality check for those that think these cars are on some sort of ballistic price curve akin to dotcom booms.
I think some of these cars will get on a ballistic price curve not akin to dotcom busts, but just boom!
The BAT car's actual condition has pulled it off the curve and its now suffering in hybrid land with costly repairs as the only ticket out.
There are no short cuts/excuses any more with 105's so you and I and our car/s are going to have to earn a place on the ballistic price/value curve when/if it comes (see endless number of posts here on Alfabb on restoring a 105). If you are happy with a your 105 hybrid car that's fine to, but don't get upset when you can't find a 1967 engine block for under $5k (last one sold for $2.5k) when you want one in 18 months time.
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I think some of these cars will get on a ballistic price curve not akin to dotcom busts, but just boom!
The BAT car's actual condition has pulled it off the curve and its now suffering in hybrid land with costly repairs as the only ticket out.
There are no short cuts/excuses any more with 105's so you and I and our car/s are going to have to earn a place on the ballistic price/value curve when/if it comes (see endless number of posts here on Alfabb on restoring a 105). If you are happy with a your 105 hybrid car that's fine to, but don't get upset when you can't find a 1967 engine block for under $5k (last one sold for $2.5k) when you want one in 18 months time.
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Maybe for a while, then weíll all get older and the younger gen wonít recall what a 105 was, maybe even what an Alfa Romeo was, and.... down, down, prices are down. Youíre an Aussie, you know the jingle.


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Our kids will know what one is.

My daughter surprised me the other day by sending me a photo of a 1750 GTV she happened to be walking past. Cars are just transport for her.

So there will be a few "Dad/Mum/Granddad/Grandma had a car like that" people
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"we wonder why in general it takes decades to even know what the correct interior and exterior looks like on a 105 car"

True, as there have been many different iterations, and owners through the years have traded interiors around in different cars, so that we lose track of what was in the original configs for that.

For instance, my red 64 Sprint GT from new had a medium blue vinyl seat material but light blue cloth in the center sections, both seat cushion and back. The door cards were also the medium blue vinyl. I have never seen that combination anywhere, here or in the museum. It was very nice, better looking and wearing than what I've seen in later cars.

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This one being a high arch car probably less sought after, only got to $30k and is now relisted.
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/33316956...m=333169569116
The highest price one that sold from Classic Throttle Shop was high arch

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Here is an active sale of car with high arches claiming to be a 1967. I guess AR T252847 has a typo or two in the number, ends in 6 hours currently at $25,100.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1967-Alfa....c100033.m2042
Only got to $30k and is now relisted
Recommissioning a moth balled car (1000 miles per year for 53 years).
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I have since tried to look at the body number on this car via the poor pictures supplied and the T in AR T252847 could be a 1 making it a AR 1252847 which is a LHD 1970 GTJ with high arches as you would expect for a LHD 1970 GTJ.

If it is a LHD 1970 GTJ, it could have had a Veloce make over at some point in it's life with the 1600 GT Veloce seats, steering wheel, grill and badges. There is no mention of the engine number.

A factory build certificate should help clarify the car's identity along with title documents, engine number. I would recommend an expert viewing to assist in working out the identity of the car, check rear boot channel markings.

A GT Sprint with a GT Veloce make over recently sold for $50k US about 4 months ago in Australia. Make overs of 1300 GTJ and GT Sprint cars made to appear like a GT Veloces did occur in the past, so no surprise these cars will appear on the market for time to time.
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another 1600 gtv . thought this would of had an offer and gone-
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Our kids will know what one is.

My daughter surprised me the other day by sending me a photo of a 1750 GTV she happened to be walking past. Cars are just transport for her.

So there will be a few "Dad/Mum/Granddad/Grandma had a car like that" people
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My daughter knows what one is too. But her friends have no idea.....

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My daughter knows what one is too. But her friends have no idea.....
They could read the posts on AlfaBB or read the books on 105's in particular the Complete 6 book collection of Patrick Dasseís

https://www.alfaholics.com/parts/105...ok-collection/
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They could read the posts on AlfaBB or read the books on 105's in particular the Complete 6 book collection of Patrick Dasseís

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Fat chance! Theyíre more interested in Coachella and K-Pop

Point is, our hobby is by and large a generational one. Of course there will be residual interest, think horse and buggy or traction engine, and there will be a place for what are seen as true works of art. But mass produced cars like these, long term I donít think so much.

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Hardly mass produced ...

Ford would have made more Mustangs in one year than all 105s models, probably including Spiders
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