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Is a 1969 1750 GTV considered a "shallow arch " model

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I need to buy some rear inner arches and in the description the parts fit
"Inner arch for shallow arch cars 1968-77 "

Is my 1969 1750 GTV a shallow arch model?
What would a GT junior model be considered ? Shallow arch model ?

Thank you for any help. Sorry for this question that is probably very obvious to most here.
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Hi there Maire,

Shallow arch cars are "low rear wheel arch" cars AFAIK... Your 1750 which is a 1969 1750 GTV should not be a "shallow i.e. Low Rear wheel arch car"....

The change in rear wheel arch design, hapened during 1967 (rather later in year than earlier) .

I'm happy to be corrected, if I'm wrong.

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Yes a 69 GTV is a shallow arch. With the GTj you would go by the year but best you understand first the difference.

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Maire, So now you are confused as you have 2 differing answers based on the perceived definition of shallow. Who is the vendor you quoted "inner arch for shallow arch cars 68-77". Chances are he knows his years and arches. But do you have a 69 GTV or are you wondering if a shallow arch will fit a GTj??

Now I'm confused

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Hi Ken,

I appears you have far more knowledge on this topic, than me. Can you explain us (me included) in simple words the differnce between shallow arch and "non-Shallow arch?"... I'm happy to learn more about this... I allways thought we have only have low arch and "high arch" cars... but Maire (the thread starter) speaks about shallow inner archs.... and I was refeering to the outer fender arch design...

Thanks for your help.

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Hi Ken,

I appears you have far more knowledge on this topic, than me. Can you explain us (me included) in simple words the differnce between shallow arch and "non-Shallow arch?"... I'm happy to learn more about this... I allways thought we have only have low arch and "high arch" cars... but Maire (the thread starter) speaks about shallow inner archs.... and I was refeering to the outer fender arch design...

Thanks for your help.

KR

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High (late) and low (early) are a clearer way to describe the 2 types of arches. The vender uses shallow for late, not sure why but the early would be deep I guess. Different points of reference.

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Hi Ken,

Thanks for this... It's much more clear now... But you're right its a bit of a strange designation/denomination... I would rather stay with the High-Wheel arches termini (Later cars as from late '67) and low wheel arch cars...

Anyway thanks a lot for the clarification.

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i have a 69 gtv. its has the later taller arches for what its worth.
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i have a 69 gtv. its has the later taller arches for what its worth.
Shallow / deep; low / high; now taller / shorter??
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Hello

I suppose I should just contact the supplier. I’m honestly still not sure what I have.

This is the link to alfaholics.
https://www.alfaholics.com/parts/105...ar-wheel-arch/
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I suppose I should just contact the supplier. Iím honestly still not sure what I have.

This is the link to alfaholics.
https://www.alfaholics.com/parts/105...ar-wheel-arch/
Neither do we as you have not said what year and model you have. You mention both 69 GTV and GT junior. Maybe you could post a picture. Maybe you could take some measurements.

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Shallow / deep; low / high; now taller / shorter??
taller, higher = more room for wheel travel or increase width of tire right? how else would you describe it?
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taller, higher = more room for wheel travel or increase width of tire right? how else would you describe it?
I'm just saying there are several different ways apparently used to describe the 2 types of arches used on the Bertone GT and if a newbee finds that confusing, small wonder. nothing wrong with your take on it.

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No actual 1750 shell is a low arch

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No actual 1750 shell is a low arch

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Better to stay in the positive and to say: Of the Bertone GTs, all 1750 (and 2ltr, late 1300 GTj, all 1600 GTj) chassis are high arch; or shallow arch; or taller arch; or late arch.

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