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Isn't she beyond saving?

As I was checking some messages on FB, came across this:

https://www.facebook.com/dan.w.rye/m...2957407&type=3

The owner seems like knows what is he doing and is familiar with Alfas. Why would anyone want to save this body? Every mounting point on the chassis is either rusted out or stress cracked. Impressive skills he got but... What am I missing???
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If you can, save it ... plus we don't know the persons financial position (yes it might be cheaper overall to buy an already restored or better one, but most find it easier to drip feed expenses on a hobby than save for it)

Personally all 105s should now be saved. The days of wrecking them should be over.
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I think it wasn’t beyond saving. Certainly not compared to my project 😀😀

It’s easy to use hindsight but often the car doesn’t look so bad when you buy it and then you really get into stripping it, and at that point you are committed or willing to accept the challenge.

Also I think niavity plays a part - it’s easy to underestimate the time/cost of things until you have experience of them.
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I think the remaining 105's have done well to last this long. Some like this car (please post some pics) and others like it have serious needs. Some of us and others would expect the least needy cars, the easiest to fixed and on the road to be enjoyed first. But time and time again perfectly good cars sit around for 30+years with no use, just like the very rusty cars. The least needy cars were always going to survive, or are they? They are going to get many owners, some turning them into race cars, some restoring them, some backdating their look, say to a step nose look.

The most significant thing I think you can do to a 'rusty perforated rust bucket' [that some don't tend to seek out] is bring it back to life and extend it's life for another 50 to 100 plus years. The parts and the skills are available now. In 10 years time the parts may be available but the skills may not be! I wonder how the owner would feel like driving the car when finished? I can't wait!

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As I was checking some messages on FB, came across this:

https://www.facebook.com/dan.w.rye/m...2957407&type=3

The owner seems like knows what is he doing and is familiar with Alfas. Why would anyone want to save this body? Every mounting point on the chassis is either rusted out or stress cracked. Impressive skills he got but... What am I missing???
Here in the midwest we'd call that fully restored

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I do understand the gratification that comes from saving an Alfa like this, but what do you do with all that rust in impossible to reach places like A pillars and between the layers of metal. And are those stress cracks? Anyways... he's got some great skills.

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I do understand the gratification that comes from saving an Alfa like this, but what do you do with all that rust in impossible to reach places like A pillars and between the layers of metal. And are those stress cracks? Anyways... he's got some great skills.
With my A pillars I braced the windscreen frame and pillar first, and then removed each layer until only 1 layer remained. Repaired that layer and built all the rest. Pictures on this site.
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Yes - everything is ‘get at-able’.
My car looked like it came up from the bottom of the ocean- but once done I know it will be rust free.

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I would walk, maybe run. The hours required for this are many, many with the result of a heavily restored car far from original.
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I would walk, maybe run. The hours required for this are many, many with the result of a heavily restored car far from original.
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Yes Pete, I've seen the repairs on pretty much everything on alfabb. Pillars must be very involving. I'd rather spend extra 10K on a decent body especially if I'm in a hole. In for a penny...


I think yours was the first "full" resto thread that I read on here

Glad you are making progress on your GTV

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Yes Pete, I've seen the repairs on pretty much everything on alfabb. Pillars must be very involving. I'd rather spend extra 10K on a decent body especially if I'm in a hole. In for a penny...


I think yours was the first "full" resto thread that I read on here

Glad you are making progress on your GTV <img src="http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/images/smilies/thumbup.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Thumbup" class="inlineimg" />
Yes agree but some, like me, can't put $10k together ... plus it is a very involving process restoring something with your own hands. Far richer than just buying something.
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Yes agree but some, like me, can't put $10k together ... plus it is a very involving process restoring something with your own hands. Far richer than just buying something.
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That’s why I’m doing a rolling restoration on a 1988 Range Rover I bought from my brother in law last December for $500. My youngest brother did a lot of the most expensive mechanical work on it for him, including a low mileage 3.9 Disco engine, but he hardly drove it afterwards and it languished on his property for the last three or four years deteriorating in the sun and rain. I’ve done a huge amount to it since I got it and it gives me a goal every day. I took the fuel tank out yesterday to replace the pump, thinking I would put it straight back in, but now I have to paint the tank and the chassis around it because I won’t relax knowing there is surface rust on it. It is Alfa related because I fitted a set of charcoal leather heated seats from a 2007 GT to the front and will either fit the rears as well or use the leather to re cover the originals.

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Had to log on to the HatedBook and no where near as bad as I was expecting. Cars done now too.

In most cases it is typical rust for these cars. If we considered this one beyond saving, they would soon all be gone
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Had to log on to the HatedBook and no where near as bad as I was expecting. Cars done now too.

In most cases it is typical rust for these cars. If we considered this one beyond saving, they would soon all be gone <img src="http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/images/smilies/frown.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Frown" class="inlineimg" />
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Exactly

And you could easily pay 10k more for a ‘better’ car and end up with something that looks like that after a few years later anyway!

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