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post #1 of 108 (permalink) Old 08-19-2018, 08:32 PM Thread Starter
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‘74 GTV PROGRESS! Sympathetic “refreshtoration”

Excellent progress this weekend on the ‘74 GTV, total of about 16 hrs. New wood on dash and console, new chrome on armrests, finished installing carpet, new dash side vent hoses, lubed wiper linkage, new chrome wiper blades and gray caps, reinstalled dash and console and hooked everything back up, reinstalled seats. I would have installed gauges and gone for a drive but lost the light. Very pleased, though, not to have any large car parts in the house any longer!
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post #2 of 108 (permalink) Old 08-19-2018, 09:11 PM
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Nice work! That's got to feel great!

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Thanks, it really does feel good—now maybe I’ll be able to DRIVE it!

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In the beginning....

It all started back in May ..... new to me 1974 GTV, Faggio-ish and tan, Spica, 84k on odo, true mileage unknown but seemed about right. Had been restored probably 10-15 years ago, ex-A/C car so short console. The first pic is one of the car before I bought it—this is the one that didn’t meet reserve on BaT back in January. It looked really good, but had some pinholing rust in the pass side footwell which was my first priority.

After tune up, of course. Plugs, cap and rotor, and new plug wires. @Andrew very kindly gave me some guidance and helped me diagnose a bum thermostatic actuator. I ordered a new one from Wes Ingram (along with new rod end connector things, whatever you call those), and that solved that problem, but led to discovering another—the infamous GAP on the back of the pump body was way way off. Somebody in the past had adjusted the SPICA’s other 5 or so settings to compensate for the bad T/A, and now it was up to me to get it all back in line. That took about 2 weekends to get thoroughly schooled on SPICA, especially reading all the great stuff on the BB from @Roadtrip, and getting it all dialed in. THAT led me to the cold start solenoid being possibly bad—it clicks when I test it, but it still is a bear to start, it’ll get there, but it doesn’t like it. Runs beautifully when warm. Just to make sure it’s all good, I ordered a pump from Wes, too. I am probably another 3 months out....

Also new voltage regulator and alternator—I didn’t have a working charging system!

Then I started really spending money like a drunken sailor: Alfa Parts, Classic Alfa, Alfaholics, OK, and Centerline. New: H4 headlights, amber fog lights, carpet, wood, gas filler flap rubber, gray wiper arm bolt caps, chrome wiper blades, taillights (I had new Euro lenses but the original housings, and two of the studs were broken), door hole bungs, rubber door striker blocks, ignition switch, all firewall grommets, floor bungs, scuttle drain hose, scuttle-to eyeball dash vent hoses, Dynamat, Dynaliner, door card reflector things, armrest chrome strips, I am sure I am forgetting stuff. Basically if it needed it I got it.

Also I got a good used hazard flasher from APE, along with missing light lenses, “DEF”, and “HAZARD”.

My car has a Bosch Spider distributor for some reason. It works fine, as far as I know, but it’s not Marelli, which is what I think was supposed to come on it. Rather than go backwards technology-wise, and at Andy Schank’s recommendation per Ton Sahines, I got a 123 ditstributor with the Bluetooth—havent installed yet, wanted to get the rust dealt with.

Then gauges — mine didn’t work, bulbs out and most importantly speedo and tach were inop. Cables are fine, so def. gauges. Took to Hartmut at Palo Alto Speedo, but with Car Week coming he was/is super backed up. I ordered a spare set from Larry Jr at APE, havent installed yet.

Then seals—I got the fully set from Classic Alfa, along with the 14 piece repro window channel kit—the ones that came on the car were rusty, and I . Haven’t installed all of them yet, but like most people on here, I found the trunk seal and the engine bay seal (the one strip along the top by the latch) to both be too thick. We’ll see how the door eats do—that’s primarily what I need, along with window scrapers—the glass it excellent save for scratched on both door windows from bad scrapers.

I finally turned to the thing that worried me most about the car: the rust. If you see a little, there’s probably more, and I figured I’d just rip off the bandage. I pulled out all the carpet and cleaned it up. It turned out to be a little more than just pinholing, but it was all localized at the floor bung. Other than that, the car is super-clean. Rockers are solid, no filler. Got a new floor pan from Alfa Parts in Berkeley (just stopping by is so convenient), and had it welded in. Better than new, solid as a rock.

More to follow...
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Your GTV Restoration

@GTVragazzo, I am posting in the thread so everyone can see:

“Great job. I'm restoring my GTV interior as well and was wondering where you purchased your Dashboard Veneer kit. I've seen some repos and the color is too dark, but yours looks about right. Also it appears that you had to drill your own hole for one of the switches on the console.
Was that a problem? Finally, did your purchase the plastic chrome edge trim for the center console? I bought some from Classic Alfa but it's too rigid and will not bend correctly. I appreciate and suggestions or tips.

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Thanks! It’s fun, actually. The wood veneer is from Classic Alfa, it’s super thin and drilling the fog light switch was tough—I hashed it up, but the switch MOSTLY covers it ;-). But since I did it, not a restorer, I am ok with it.
The chrome trim is also from Classic, and I found that if you pull/stretch it as you’re bending it, it doesn’t kink at all. E.g. put the trim on one of the straight parts of the wood, hold tightly with one had, and then pull and bend around a curve. It’s surprisingly easy to work.

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Sound deadening

Here are some pics of the dynamat and dynaliner:
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Carpet observations

I got the carpet kit from Centerline. It wasn’t cheap and took like 5 weeks to receive. I’ve never done automotive carpet before so I don’t have anything to compare it with, but I will say that it took a lot of customizing to get it to fit decently. The padding is 1” thick batting, and the carpet is thin black nylon loop. You basically have to install all the padding first, trimming as necessary, and then install the carpet on top of the padding. There are no instructions, so I just figured out as I went along, using the BB as a resource for how others had done it. I used 1.5 spray cans of the 3M yellow spray adhesive, that stuff works great.

It looks much better than the non-correct aftermarket tan pile carpet that was in it when I got it. If I had it to do over, I would have gone for black wool loop from somewhere like World Upholstery. But I really wish somebody made a one piece formed kit. That would look so much better.

Here’s a pic of before, a pic of the carpet pre install, and after.
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Wood observations

I got my wood from Classic Alfa (see console and dash pics in first post). It’s nice looking, but extremely thin, with a multi-layer paper backing. The hardest piece to work with was the piece that surrounds the shifter, it’s got two very thin sides to work on. Luckily I didn’t snapped it in half. I did have a problem drilling the hole for the fog light switch, though, but that’s probably my technique. Once everything is installed you can’t see the place where I marred the wood.

Here are pics of the Old wood, exposed side, showing how bleached it was, and the reverse of the old wood, showing the original color. The original wood is a solid piece, not a veneer over cardboard. I may have been able to refinish it, but that’s a whole other kettle of fish.
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jthames- thanks for all the great shots and accompanying descriptive test. You answered several questions I had before I could get to a keyboard to ask. Yes, the CA wood veneer kit looks spot on. I'm considering taking that task on this winter, and maybe dynamat too. You obviously work at a pretty fast pace compared to many around here. Your efforts are obvious, the car is looking great!
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Thanks @Capp, it’s definitely fun when it works. But usually the opposite happens. Case in point, today I installed the new taillights (again from Classic) only to find the reverse lights don’t come on. I swear they did before I started down the “Sure it all does fine as it is but its a new car to me so let’s take everything apart and make it BETTER” road.... But I may be mistaken. There are only 2 wires from the switch (thanks for the wiring diagram @papajam), one to the lights themselves and one to fuse #6, so guessing switch is bad. I remember from my spider you have to basically do a clutch to get to the switch. Grrr.

the parts itself, the repro taillights, are top quality. I put on new gas pedal, and new brake and clutch pads, also from Classic. Felt like a new pair of Nikes.

I installed my “OK” temporary gauges I got a month ago from APE. They’re not OK at all, speedo doesn’t work and tach is SUPER loud. Gotta send back. Still waiting on Palo Alto Speedo.....

BUT I started it for the first time in like 6 weeks, cranked right up, only like 5 tries which considering the cold start issue, is AWESOME. I had a fantastic test drive down to Wildcat canyon, then down Grizzly Peak to Shasta Rd, and then back up Wildcat to home. Bay Area in general, and Berkeley in particular, has so many beautiful roads.

Oh, I didn’t mention I got new tires also. The car came with very high quality repro Cromodoras, but super old Pirelli P4000s. I got 195/65R-14 Vredestein Sportrac 5 SLs from Tire Rack, $88 each, and the best part is that they’re disegno di Giugiario, I kid you not.


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jthames- thanks for all the great shots and accompanying descriptive test. You answered several questions I had before I could get to a keyboard to ask. Yes, the CA wood veneer kit looks spot on. I'm considering taking that task on this winter, and maybe dynamat too. You obviously work at a pretty fast pace compared to many around here. Your efforts are obvious, the car is looking great!

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Dunno about cars as late as 74, but the earlier cars' reverse lights only came on with the headlights - ie, they were powered only when night time came and you switched the lights on, so you could see when you were going backwards.
Check that possibility before you pull things apart.
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Nice work! I also have that carpet and it left a lot to be desired. The edging on the drivers side is already coming off where my left foot is and the fit could have been better. I was hoping with time it might settle in and to some extent it did but still.... I was hoping for a little more. The chrome wipers are great until the sun reflects off them into your eyes, (don't ask me how it know ).
On the veneer I cut out the bits using 20 ga sheetmetal (the same as used for rust repair patches) and then got PSA backed veneer and stained and sealed it. The best thing about that is it is the perfect thickness for the edging to fit around it. Also there are hundreds of types of wood to choose from. The first one I did was at least six years ago and still looks good. I hope you get your pump back from Wes in the time you are expecting. I got into the queue on 31 Aug of last year and got the pump back in early March of this year. He's really backed up and it's just Wes and Herb with Wes doing the motors and Herb doing the pumps. My GTV is also the Dutch Blue AR343 with the light beige interior and to my mind it doesn't get any better than that. Looks like you have a really solid car and congrats!

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Totally never thought about that. I’ll check today and report back. Bulbs are obviously ok. Thanks @Ranz!

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Dunno about cars as late as 74, but the earlier cars' reverse lights only came on with the headlights - ie, they were powered only when night time came and you switched the lights on, so you could see when you were going backwards.
Check that possibility before you pull things apart.

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Thanks @gigem, the carpet is the weak like I think for GTVs. I am planning on doing leather seats and door cards, but not until the winter/next year (budgets and all), I will ask if the upholstery shop (Sid’s in Mountain View is supposed to be tops) can also sew me a custom carpet. It wouldn’t be form-fitted but it’d be closer than the multi-piece kits, certainly with out the overlaps and seams. And they could reuse the padding from the Centerline kit. That’d be $$ well-spent, as far as I am concerned. The interior’s where you spend your time, after all.

I’d love something like Audi put in the 1st. Gen TTs, a loop carpet with larger loops. I know that wouldn’t be correct, but as an ex-A/C car somewhat “converted” to non-A/C (battery moved to front, A/C removed etc., console modified to have both wiper and fan switches) it isn’t ever going to be a Concours car. GTV Outlaw, anyone?
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