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Found a GTC Basket Case - Thoughts on Value?

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I stumbled across a GTC basket case. LHD. Haven't seen much of it (mostly covered up), but I believe it to be complete, although in need of a total restoration. I don't have a price yet but I believe it's something that can be bought.

Yes, I know you need more pictures and details. I'll work on those. But in the meantime, what is the going rate for one that needs a complete restoration? And anyone have any idea of the parts that would be difficult (impossible?) to source?

Looks like a restored one brought $150k or so - https://www.goodingco.com/vehicle/19...eo-giulia-gtc/ That's a data point.

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Here's one that Alfaholics sold, but no idea on price. https://www.alfaholics.com/cars-for-...-find-project/

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Here's one that Alfaholics sold, but no idea on price. https://www.alfaholics.com/cars-for-...-find-project/
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A car that needs a complete restoration can mean a great many things. Missing parts, rust and crash damage can drive the cost up. There are some unique, impossible to find parts on a GTC. Make sure it is a complete car.
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The rear trunk lid is a different size to standard GT, floor and sill repairs are more complex than standard due to extra bracing. Chrome bumper bars rare as hens teeth, Grille is now available but not cheap....... But if the price is right you will have a sought after model. I will put some images of a car I saw some years ago in the car restoration column.
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I think I know pretty well the GTC (I have the third who is waiting for is turn to be restored).

You have to make sure that your car is complete , no matter the state.

There is a lot of subtleties between a GTC and a coupe and some sparts are special for GTC.

Make sure you have all the chrome and system for rear windows (very very "hard to find" parts).

Trunk lid, rockers, A pillers, reinforcments on dashboard and under front mask and soft top structure are specific. You must be a good body builder or have a friend with body shop :-)

You can adapt market rear fenders.

If the car you're talking about is a basket case, 15k US $ is a top price for her. You will spent 95k + US $ to restore for a perfect state. (and you will do personal a lot of job).

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The rear trunk lid is a different size to standard GT, floor and sill repairs are more complex than standard due to extra bracing. Chrome bumper bars rare as hens teeth, Grille is now available but not cheap....... But if the price is right you will have a sought after model. I will put some images of a car I saw some years ago in the car restoration column.
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Thanks, Tim. Great input.

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I think I know pretty well the GTC (I have the third who is waiting for is turn to be restored).

You have to make sure that your car is complete , no matter the state.

There is a lot of subtleties between a GTC and a coupe and some sparts are special for GTC.

Make sure you have all the chrome and system for rear windows (very very "hard to find" parts).

Trunk lid, rockers, A pillers, reinforcments on dashboard and under front mask and soft top structure are specific. You must be a good body builder or have a friend with body shop :-)

You can adapt market rear fenders.

If the car you're talking about is a basket case, 15k US $ is a top price for her. You will spent 95k + US $ to restore for a perfect state. (and you will do personal a lot of job).

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Excellent input, Chris. Exactly the type of information that I was looking for. Surprised to hear $15k, but I understand how difficult it can be to source un-sourceable parts.

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Here are the pics. Difficult to get a good pic of the entire car given how it's sitting in the garage. The owner said he has all the parts to put it back together. Looks like it was disassembled for the restoration that never began.

The original color is apparently the light aqua that's on the dash. Must have been a stunning car when new.

Let's say the original parts are all available and useable. Roughly what would the car be worth as it sits? And if done on a very high level, I am thinking this is a $150,000 car?
















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judging by the radiator support and engine bay it looks very solid and straight. floors are good too. I wouldn't call it a basket case. I pictured a car full of rust. no idea on value.

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It's not at all a basket case, trust me. It's a second hand car prepared for painting

She seems to be a 1964 car. The base is very solid and it's far from what I was thinking about. I am so used with crazy projects...

I don't know the asking price, but in Italy cars are not cheap. Hope it's not over 15K€. There is one for sale (but not sold of course) in France for 37K€ (it's always good to dream).

I insist, but make sure you have all the parts for complete rear window chrome/fitting/details/mechanism...

The rear seat is specific as well. But you can modified a "normal" one to a GTC one... (you must have a good friend, not painter here but in upholstery world )

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wow! thats a nice find!
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It's not at all a basket case, trust me. It's a second hand car prepared for painting

She seems to be a 1964 car. The base is very solid and it's far from what I was thinking about. I am so used with crazy projects...

I don't know the asking price, but in Italy cars are not cheap. Hope it's not over 15K€. There is one for sale (but not sold of course) in France for 37K€ (it's always good to dream).

I insist, but make sure you have all the parts for complete rear window chrome/fitting/details/mechanism...

The rear seat is specific as well. But you can modified a "normal" one to a GTC one... (you must have a good friend, not painter here but in upholstery world )
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Good input. Owner said it's a '66. At least that's what I thought I heard.

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Scott,

You’ve asked what it might be worth if restored to perfection.

Obviously, the best any of us can offer are opinions, not guarantees.

In my opinion, the GTC is a cool car, but not one with a unique value. It is relatively rare, but that’s about it. It is not a high-performance Alfa, the model has no racing history, it is not really a styling break-through, and it offers nothing that a similar-year Duetto wouldn’t do as well.

Someone might want a perfect GTC to complete their collection of Sprint GT, GTA, GTV, and GTC. Not sure how many of those collectors are around.

My hunch is that $150k would be an anomaly. Consider the other Alfas, all more desirable, that could be had for that money.

Having said that, I AM in the club that believes all old, low-production Alfas will appreciate with time. It’s just a matter of how long you must wait.
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Scott,

You’ve asked what it might be worth if restored to perfection.

Obviously, the best any of us can offer are opinions, not guarantees.

In my opinion, the GTC is a cool car, but not one with a unique value. It is relatively rare, but that’s about it. It is not a high-performance Alfa, the model has no racing history, it is not really a styling break-through, and it offers nothing that a similar-year Duetto wouldn’t do as well.

Someone might want a perfect GTC to complete their collection of Sprint GT, GTA, GTV, and GTC. Not sure how many of those collectors are around.

My hunch is that $150k would be an anomaly. Consider the other Alfas, all more desirable, that could be had for that money.

Having said that, I AM in the club that believes all old, low-production Alfas will appreciate with time. It’s just a matter of how long you must wait.
Thanks, Don. Appreciate the input. I'm not seriously interested in it myself; more of just a curiosity at this point. I could probably afford the purchase price, but the subsequent divorce attorney would drain me...

Scott
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