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Evermore,

You have the right attitude .

Enjoy fiddling with your new car.
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post #17 of 263 (permalink) Old 03-08-2018, 07:29 PM
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Good luck with your car.... stick to it and it will reward you with a huge grin every time you drive it!

Yeah that front panel/bumper etc. is all wrong as mentioned. If you look at the pic of it below the blue one,
you will see your car has lost the shape of the lower edge of the grille opening. The larger headlights
should be sitting in a 'cut out' so to speak, your line is a straight edge from one headlight to the other.

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The front end does look very odd, some strange things going on there. The indicators also look incorrect, neither Euro or US. It should look like this if it’s a non-US model.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/W9T-jUZsXsk/maxresdefault.jpg

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Congratulations! And welcome.

Regarding the brakes pulling you might start with new rubber lines before rebuild the calipers. I was getting a pull when I braked in my Berlina and when I pulled off one hose it was so swelled that no fluid dripped out. A new set of hoses and it brakes nice and straight again.

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Hi Michael - congrats and welcome to the family. I joined in May of last year with a BAT auction win. I am working on taking it from stock to more of a canyon carver. As i am in your area (Menlo Park), happy to talk further about what i have learned in terms of refinishing things myself vs having to go outside to a shop for support. I am nearing the end of this go-fast upgrade which has included everything from a motor rebuild/upgrade, gearbox rebuild with alcoholics racing parts, and even some interior work including sparco seats and harness bar and because i am tall i have also done a lot of work with the steering column/removing the center console, and having some custom fab work done.

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Thanks Phil! Actually tried to send a message but I have not reached the 10 message threshold. *facepalm*. I will probably get in touch with you in the next couple of weeks once I have a reasonable ideas of the full catalogues of issues I am facing.
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Nice GTV! Im sure you'll really enjoy it when its sorted.

Regarding the gearbox, i had the typical 2nd gear crunch, and rev matching aside i found using an additive called 'Slick 50' helped a fair bit. I took the car for a 20 mile run and the crunch became less and less prominent, especially when warmed up. It's not completely eradicated, but it is improved and when coupled with rev matching you can just forget about it. Of course, its not really recommended to use additives like this but since you'll probably need a rebuild sooner or later anyway you dont have much to lose.

Play in the steering is pretty common, the six tie rod ends can wear out and contribute. A worn out steering box can also be a culprit, a temporary solution is to experiment with removing shims on the Burman box or the adjustment screw on the ZF box, depending on which your car has installed. Low tyre pressures can also play a part, as well as alignment.

Hope you get on well with it!

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Ah, so having common problems is a good thing, there tend to be solutions! It's the unique problems that are the real headache.. is this a sign of just age and wear or would changing fluids (even without additives) help?

From what little I have seen underneath, any rubber part I can see is very aged so that'll be the first thing to tackle before looking at the steering box I think
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Agree. They all have secrets at this age.
My '74, the steering was very worn and unstable when I hit the brakes at any speed over 50 MPH.
I had a local reputable tire center rebuild the front end.
I supplied them with Centerline's front end rebuild kit with the adjustable upper control arms.
Between parts and labor, I spent about $1500 but it was well worth it.
I also added Centerline's sport coils which lowered the car an inch and made it handle better.
Another secret I found was the previous owner had hung the
fuel pump right over the rear exhaust arch with a zip tie!
Anyway, keep us posted on your progress!

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Good morning Clark,

What was your decision process for the suspension work? For example, I see the Alfaholics Fast Road Suspension Rebuild Package Stage 1 set, how does that compared to centerline?
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Wow, I have to admit that the rear coil spring does look broken - never seen that before! My guess is that this car spent a lot of time in a damp environment - not in California - and that corrosion killed the spring. I wouldn't drive it that way.



Brakes pulling to one side suggests a stuck caliper (or calipers).

The vague steering could be a lot of things, including a cracked steering box case. Steering is sort of important - again, I wouldn't drive it until this has been diagnosed and fixed.
Maybe it was just near the ocean? I just have no history on it though BHCC claimed it lived in California its entire life. Anyhow, almost doesn't matter. The other springs are ok, I dont see other broken bits and pieces but doing a full suspension rework is clearly necessary. As for steering box.. my hope it's just the ancient bushings so ill take that first.
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Evermore,

You have the right attitude .

Enjoy fiddling with your new car.
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Maybe it was just near the ocean? I just have no history on it though BHCC claimed it lived in California its entire life. Anyhow, almost doesn't matter. The other springs are ok, I dont see other broken bits and pieces but doing a full suspension rework is clearly necessary. As for steering box.. my hope it's just the ancient bushings so ill take that first.
FWIW I did have a rear spring break in my very first Alfa, a 1750 Berlina. That was in Auckland so near the sea but the car was otherwise in good shape body and suspension.

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Did that car have Blue plates at some point? Or did those plates come with the car?
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Ah, so having common problems is a good thing, there tend to be solutions! It's the unique problems that are the real headache.. is this a sign of just age and wear or would changing fluids (even without additives) help?

From what little I have seen underneath, any rubber part I can see is very aged so that'll be the first thing to tackle before looking at the steering box I think
You're right - synchros are bound to start going weak with age, as well as after hundreds of 'Italian' gearchanges! Changing the fluid would definitely help, I've heard good things about Redline oils.

Its defintely a good idea to sort all the tie rods and ball joints before messing with your steering box, as it might indeed be okay after all.

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BHCC claimed it lived in California its entire life.
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It is not a US-spec car as it has the Weber carbs and the speedometer is in km/h.
To paraphrase Groucho Marx: "who are you going to believe? BHCC or your own eyes?".

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Another thought on the steering box, the Burman boxes tend to leak and all the oil drains out. It's worth topping up and seeing if that helps. Alfas are pretty nice when newish, a new set of front suspension bushings will help a ton.

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My decision.
My GTV handling was sloppy and the car sat too high, in my opinion. I prefer lower riding cars with stiffer suspension and responsive steering and predictable behavior when I step on the brakes.

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