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GT Veloce - which model ?

Hi everyone,

I am new to this forum and I am looking into buying a classic 105 coupe.

Currently looking on the market for a GT veloce as a restoration project and I cannot decide if i should go for the 2000cc or a late 1750cc model ?

In terms of prestige and market value appreciation, which of the two is regarded ideal ?

For the European market, was there any 1750 models with the wider rear light clusters ?


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Welcome. There will lots of helpful people here. It's a great place to learn about your Alfa.

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Welcome. There will lots of helpful people here. It's a great place to learn about your Alfa.

Thanks. No Alfa as yet. Still looking around to purchase one
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Lots of people are here long before their purchase, so ask away!!

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I'm partial to the two liter cars the seventy four in particular but that's just me.

The passenger seat is 15 miles an hour faster than the drivers seat.

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Cool Ah, the GTV.....

Good choice ! Alfa GTVs are great cars ! I've had mine since 1974 !

1750 models are the more sought after and will command a higher value if properly done. The 2000 model is more refined, but not as rare as they sold so many more.

As with all Alfas, tail lights got bigger as the model got newer. First series 1750 had small lights and later had bigger.

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Just out of curiosity, what brought you to a GTV, rather than a JR, or an earlier car? Was/is it the engine choice options? As a side bit of my own little info, I have a '69 Spider Veloce with the 1750 Spica and I love it. It's an amazing engine choice and there's lots of owners here that can tell you the differences between the two, wether the 2000 or 1750. Not to mention the dash choices and etc, etc, etc......
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Mechanical parts, suspension, brakes even motors are very easily swapped between cars so the decision is largely one of aesthetics and economics. Besides the very top tier of the market where all 105s seem presently to fetch $45-55k, a 1750 of equal condition ought to will cost more than a 2000. The front grill and tail lights are obviously different on the two cars but the real difference is the interior. The 1750 is just plain perfect. Has a toe in the 60's but more refined than the stepnose. The 2000 (and I have one) is a tad 70's / plastic feeling.

There are a bunch of 1750 parts that can be more expensive such as the dual booster braking system and assorted chrome / interior parts - but if you're doing a reasonably involved restoration project, those will be a drop in the bucket of the overall.

If it were me, I'd decide which car you're in love with visually and go for it.

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Awesome interior choice! Or, I guess I'll say the sexy dash, since the seats/carpets/ etc are different on later year cars than my Scalino!!
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I'd have to agree with that...

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I bought a 71 MkII 1750 GTV in the UK nearly two years ago. When I was looking there was a slight premium for 1750s over 2000s (I was looking at both). MkI 1750s tend to be the "most sought after" ones because they have the cleaner bumpers and the flying buttress seats. FWIW though the seats in the MkII are extremely comfortable and also look good.

Not sure about the rear lights but mine's a MkII from 71 and it has the smaller lights. The parts websites imply all 1750s had smaller rear lights.

As others said, the interior of the 1750 is much nicer than the 2000, that was one of the clinchers for me. IMO the 1750 interior is the nicest interior of all the 105 coupes and I also love the front grille treatment (I really don't like the 2000 grille). The 2000 engine has more low down torque but the 1750 is a nice engine. Again, most ads state that "enthusiasts feel the 1750 is the best engine of the range" but I'm not sure I buy that. However, it does seem to add to the "premium" perception of the 1750 as a car.

I would look at both and see which you like aesthetically and which drives best for you. I think ultimately the value will be more influenced by the quality of restoration and originality rather than the 1750 vs 2000 aspect. If you want to maximize prestige and market value, get a matching numbers car and keep it original. That's what the market values these days and it's where the premium is (because it's where the collectors are....). However, as Yachtman said above, the highest value cars tend to be earlier step front cars rather than later GTVs.

A question on production numbers. 101/105 guy said they made more 2000s than 1750s, which I always assumed was the case. But the production numbers shown on the Wikipedia page for the 105 have it the other way round (more 1750s produced than 2000s). I know that Wikipedia isn't the most reliable source of information. Anyone have a more reliable source of production data?

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I have read slightly more 1750s world wide, USA may have more 2000s. Big tail lites on S2 USA 1750, small on all other 1750s(S1 & S2 Euro & S1 USA)

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A carefully thought out restoration project can be rewarding but if it goes south, it ends up being a hole in street into which you will pour huge quantities of money. If it was me, I would buy the best I could find (and pay for) and never look back.
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Not sure about the rear lights but mine's a MkII from 71 and it has the smaller lights. The parts websites imply all 1750s had smaller rear lights.
USA got the bigger taillights in 71.

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Here are some of the difference I cobbled from a few sources on this forum. i have more info on the 68' since this is my model and having just restored it I ran into all the "differences" that often slowed me down. Super if you want a rare flower but can add more time in tracking down missing and rare pieces.


'64-'67 - "Stepnose" model with 2 headlights... (all with dual carbureted 1600 eng) very sought after and good examples are among the most expensive "GTs".
Some have lower rear arch
2 bolt sub frame in front?

'68 - Euro only (1750 w/carbs). 1st "Smoothnose" model with 4 headlights (floor pedals = "S1"). Rare but there are a few in the US. No US spec '68s offered. Very desirable and command a premium.

reverse threaded driver side lugs and front axle nut
return spring on clutch slave (if original)
molded rubber scuttle hose
Single clip on grill heart
Standing pedals
Single Circuit brakes with Lockheed Brake servo
GT rounded bumpers w/o overrides
Carello turn / park lights mounted on top of front bumper
Rear lights Altissimo or Carello small style with reflector in center
No fender signals front or rear
Inner headlights wired with mains on low
Center console switch runs dash lights not fogs
Zagato buttress style front seats (adjustable headrest on passenger only)
1750 badge on the trunk lid (Alfa Milano badge recessed in trunk)
chrome rear license plate mount
dual Carello frog eye license plate lights
"cross over" airflow / left fender mounted canister
coil on right wing
wiper bag on passenger firewall
wood hellebore steering wheel
two vents on front cowl behind bumper
dual carbs: Weber/Dellorto/Solex

'69 - US spec (1750 w/Spica and floor pedals). Very desirable and command a premium.
dual circuit brake system

'70 - Euro spec (1750 w/carbs and 1st year with hanging pedals = "S2"). No US spec '70s offered. Very desirable and command a premium.

'71 - US spec (1750 w/Spica and hanging pedals). Not as desirable as previous "S1s and S2s" but desirable as a 1750 none-the-less.

'72-'74 US spec (all 2L with Spica, "new" all metal front grill, and "new" interior). None better than the other. All good years/cars. Unlike 1750s all 2L GTVs came with lsd from the factory.

'75-'76 Euro spec (2L carbs). Rare in the US, but not necessarily more desirable than '72-'74.

Various years - "GT Jr" model had paired down interiors and most had 1300 engines. Usually much less expensive (and less powerful) than GTVs although not that many in the US compared to GTVs.

68' Parisian Alfa GTV 1750

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