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post #1 of 32 (permalink) Old 03-10-2019, 03:49 PM Thread Starter
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History of Giulietta Spider 10103

Is anyone familiar with a California car Reg no. 7ZIY005 which is currently for sale in New Zealand (NZ$79990). We are thinking of buying it and wondered if anyone back where it came from and on this forum knew about it?
an be seen on NZ`s version of Ebay - trademe.co.nz

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post #2 of 32 (permalink) Old 03-14-2019, 06:21 AM
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You have a chassis number for the car? There are a couple pretty good Guilietta lists by VIN. In general Americans don't track license plates they way some countries do. VINs are more important here.
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Thanks Andrew. We use registration number first here but have a national registration system. USA of course run a state system - I should have known.
We have gone ahead and purchased the car as pre `68 Alfas are very rare here so will get the original chassis number as would still like to know the history of the car. The car has apparently been on BAT according to the dealer and was bought off that but I had a quick look on past sales shown and couldn`t see it. It has gone through a thorough check over here when it hit our shores, as all imports must, and missed on a couple of things but no rust tagged apparently. That rectification work is being done now and must be done by a certified and registered repairer.

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Hi Richard
You jumped on that pretty quickly. Have you been up to see it yet? (I notice that O'Riellys also have a 4C for sale at a pretty sharp price).
Try and get a friendly certifier (but you probably know this already) I had to install seat belts on our 1960 101 spider, the local garage was also a LVV certifier (mainly for 50s /60s american imports) and was really helpful in getting it sorted out. The only slight sticking point was no sun visors but the original parts and workshop manuals cleared that up - showing that they were never original equipment.

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Well how many 750/101`s come up for sale in NZ? It was an opportunity too good to miss so after discussing with my oldest son - we had bought that 105 spider from O`Reilly`s just before Christmas- we took the plunge.There was already enquiry from another Christchurch collector that owns a Sprint Speciale. It has not been NZ registered yet as missed on seat belts and a tiny bit of floor rust before it will comply. O`Reilly`s are getting this done now. My two sons and I own several cars, nowadays they pay for them, I do the mechanical and bodywork - I used to own a Euro workshop here in Christchurch specialising in engine tuning so not much phases me.
Currently we have 14 cars from Fiat 500 to Ferrari although we are trading a Lancia Fulvia Coupe (will still have two old Lancias) We may also sell the 105 Spider but will review that.
Good to make contact with another 101 owner over here.
Looking at the AROCNZ register there are more 750/101 Spiders than I thought.

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I nearly forgot. Remember to join the Giulietta Register.

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I tried to find my father's 1958 Spider and California Department of Motor Vehicles will not release any information to the public. The Veloce Registry can provide information about the car's history if it is a Veloce, SS or SZ but, not a Normale car.
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Unfortunately it is a Normale but haven`t been shipped down yet so the Veloce registry is a non starter. The Fulvia Coupe we traded in part exchange only left my place on Monday. Hoping to have it before the weekend though - it`s Thursaday morning here.

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Unfortunately it is a Normale but haven`t been shipped down yet so the Veloce registry is a non starter. The Fulvia Coupe we traded in part exchange only left my place on Monday. Hoping to have it before the weekend though - it`s Thursaday morning here.
Does that mean the Fulvia will end up at O'Reillys shortly? I would be interested in that.

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What's the original color and year? Too many Alfas on Trademe to sort through.

Been trying to find my first Spider (64, dark gray, CA plate MXR778) for years. . . .
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Lo Fo SI I have an idea Elliot from O`Reilly`s has his eyes on it. It needed an engine rebuild which was indicated by us when we traded. It was well known in NZ as it used to be old Dr Prior Hoadley`s car who had owned it from new. Unfortunately the care it had been given, and the imbeciles that had worked on it made it a car that needed work to put right. We did somework/rectification but with 12 other cars and to be honest liking it the least of our collection we decided to get something better in our eyes. - we still have 2 older Lancias, a 2C Berlina (much nicer than any Fulvia Coupe I have driven), and a Pininfarina Flavia Coupe ( totally different and superior car).
Jeffery it appears the original colour was white. This one is a 1962 Normale, presumably sold new in USA, but I haven`t got possession yet. The car was withdrawn from TradeMe the moment the deal was done. Two things annoy me - someone has it looks stuck black vinyl on the dash, over the as I understand it painted dash. Was this a dealer add on , or as I suspect an owner customisation?
It also lacks the correct air filter, having a flat pancake filter. It is also lacking the four knobs from the bottom of the dash - I know one is for choke, I dread to think what else is a departure from original

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Well the car finally arrived and although it sports a new VIN tag I cannot for the life of me find the original chassis number plus no signs of the aluminium plates with that info on the bonnet lid ( no screw holes etc). Surely they must have scribed a chassis number somewhere else as well. Can anyone help. I found the Californian last owners regis document in the glovebox but that does not indicate the chassis number much to my amazement. Regis documents in NZ always state chassis/VIN numer as well as the registration number.
The unexpected plus though is when I was looking up the engine number it turns out to have a Veloce block at least but how can I tell if the head is a Veloce head short of removing the cam covers and checking the cam numbers? It runs a single carb though unfortunately.
According to Evan Green`s book there are signs it may well be an earlier than 1962 car. it also has an electric fuel pump rather than a mechanical one like I thought Normales had, and that engine has never been fitted with a mechanical pump. Is that significant?
One thing I am disappointed with however (relevant to those New Zealanders) is that the VIN check and WOF was done by a blind man who should have their certification removed. Rear muffler is rotted out - I can put my finger up in through the holes, the brake pedal has more travel than it should and the brakes pull to the right, the driver`s door didn`t latch properly - out of adjustment and all fixing screws loose, and the front of the driver`s side sill has holes in it, rather like a series of repair holes to pull out a dent. I would have thought that by itself was reason for failure.......

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I always use Fusi's number to identify the chassis and then look at the engine number. I know that replacement blocks have no serial number. I also recommend using Alfa Romeo to identify the car, date manufactured, exterior color, interior color and maybe date purchased. I have restored a number of 750/101 Spiders, Spider Veloce, Sprint Veloces and a 101 SS and have been driving Alfas since 1968. The cars are very simple to identify and many parts can be interchanged.
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But what if there are no ID numbers anywhere I can see? Fusi`s book relies on having a chassis number to identify the car as will Alfa Romeo. Where are the numbers normally located? I have Evan Green`s book which gives me a range but I want to contact Alfa to get build date, specs and where sold. I also have strong suspicion that the engine is not original either as I have a Giulietta Normale fitted with a Veloce engine but with single carb/non standard air filter. 105`s have the chassis number etched onto the body..... It is so frustrating.
By the way previous owner was a Evert Witteveen who lives in Laguna Beach Calif. who at least owned for a year. Anyone know of him/the car?

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Are there any Pininfarina numbers stamped (or wax crayon) on these bodies? There’s a few on the 105 spiders and Bertone coupes. Whilst not tracked by anybody (Fusi etc), they may give an indication of the year

Would love one of these spiders, let’s see some pics!!

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