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I grabbed a pic way back - I actually googled the car and can see nothing on it anymore. It would have been fantastic to see it properly done. I thought at the time it would look great in modern 4c matte red!
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There was a discussion/thread here on ALFABB on this subject and among others why this Sprint wound up in this shape (poor condition and emptied on original parts) and unfortunately after an engine failure (or what it was) the builder stopped posting any more.
I too, liked the Sprint build, but what is the link to the thread on this car?

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There was a discussion/thread here on ALFABB on this subject and among others why this Sprint wound up in this shape (poor condition and emptied on original parts) and unfortunately after an engine failure (or what it was) the builder stopped posting any more.

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It runs in CAR Challenge the racing series of the Swedish Alfa club. In the next to last race weekend it was involved in an incident during the start with very odd alignment of the front wheels as a result.

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Hi all

Please stand up those who have had to make the decision to renovate an "original" Alfa or not......because I have.

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Hi Richard,

Not much of a decision for my car, a 101 Spider Veloce. It was supplied new to South Africa, and was 'restored' there many years ago. It looked like someone had stripped it down, thrown all the parts in the corner of the garage and then lost quite a lot of them. It was thrown back together with lots of odd bolts, wrong bits etc.. I would never have bought it had I not had it up on a ramp and found that it had no rust whatsoever! All the sill joins were dead straight, no 'growing' with rust, basically like new. I decided I could live with replacing the wrong bits as I wouldn't have to spend a fortune on the bodywork.

It looked crap as it was so I set about returning it to 'original' spec. On this forum, people like me are being criticized as being boring or anal. Actually I dont give a **** about the name calling, I'm simply trying to make the car as correct as possible, finding it difficult at times, but persevering to create an attractive usable car at the end of the process. Hopefully some of the stuff I've discovered will help others to do the same.
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Hi Tim

Well there is always an exception to the rule. I am talking here about cars from South Africa. One of my first was an ex-SA sprint in about 1968, then only 5/6 years old and recently imported.
It was `unfortunately` totalled by a rubber winged post office van, and insurance paid out full value. I thought a repair would be possible and got the car on a lift, horror of horrors there was no chassis; salt water/wind had worked wonders. Basically a death trap....

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Richard you must have bought one from SA's rust capital Durban....... high humidity followed by your salty roads would not be a good combination.

I've had quite a few Alfa's over the years, still have 13 in the collection and all bar 2 are good body-wise, the other 2 were abandoned and left outside before I got them, but it's only the usual floors, wing bottoms, sills and the boot floor that are tired, the rest of the structure is remarkably good.

The one I'm restoring right now is virtually rust free, just minor pin holing in the very bottom of the sills and under the battery where an acid spill did some damage.

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Hi Greig

I am sure you are right - I was green and it was my first Alfa. As I said the experience ended happily because insurance paid full value....

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[QUOTE=AlfistiSA;7173074]Richard you must have bought one from SA's rust capital Durban....... high humidity followed by your salty roads would not be a good combination.

Interestingly my completely rust free car was supplied to Durban!
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It runs in CAR Challenge the racing series of the Swedish Alfa club. In the next to last race weekend it was involved in an incident during the start with very odd alignment of the front wheels as a result.

Hi might have got through without the wide arches! It's all about power with direction as they say. Thanks for posting the video. Let's hope it's back out soon.
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My two cents....

I have a 59 750f that i bought in the late 70's.It was not much more than a shell . I built it up to race in the 80's . Would I do that today? no ....I was looking at a brand new 66 Cobra , about $ 4500 , would I still have it in showroom condition today ? no .
Hindsight is a wonderful thing to have , unfortunally I don't have it .
{ I still have the Alfa . I started to work on it to put it back on the street but it's leaning twards a track day car and will be licensed and titled for the street }
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@ Tom F2,

Tom, Please feel free to post those photos as yours. Your scholarship and descriptions of discoveries made during the disassembly will be great reading for all.

Best regards to all, interesting discussion topic!

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I like your message, Tim. Sadly, 750-101 Alfas have not been as valued as 356 Porsches, though they deserve to be. The problem, as I see it, is that Alfa did not develop its product as well as Porsche, leading to a gradual tarnishing of the brand image. Secondarily, the Giulietta does not have the robust feel of the 356 and it rolls too much in cornering. But the original Giulietta was a gem of a car. When Italy's labor and political problems began to affect Alfa (and every other Italian manufacturer) in the 1960s, quality and product development deteriorated.

As for Italian vs. German manufacturing, I believe that Alfa was as systematic as Porsche, in the 1950s and early 1960s. The parts catalogue is as well organized as that of Porsche and better illustrated to boot. The model changes are well documented there and, I believe, reliable. Random variations are mostly due to neglectful service, not to lack of discipline at Pininfarina or Alfa. Alfa quality, particularly the Pininfarina contribution, was very good, though not up to Porsche levels. Bertone, well, that's another matter altogether. I guess that Hoffman didn't import the Sprint, at first, simply because he didn't like Bertone's execution. For my part, I cannot get past the miserable arrangement of the door hinges on Bertone bodied Alfas.

So, I agree with you that 750 cars deserve more attention by way of originality and that it's not okay to resign oneself to the belief that the cars were built haphazardly.

Our member, Tony S, has done a wonderful job photographing some original details on my Spider. I would be happy to post them for all, with Tony's permission, if there is some facility for doing so on this website. Suggestions are welcome.

P.S. Information on what is original to 356s is not 100% reliable, either. But the efforts to figure out what is original, in that community of enthusiasts, are impressive.
Sorry but I personally don't agree with the whole German vs Italian stuff. Porsche was working on one car, and it's astonishing how incredibly difficult it is to make one car so darn ugly. Not very sophisticated in my opinion. With all the production sports cars that Alfa was putting out, I think one needs to be even more impressed on how they actually managed to not screw it up worse. I love Enzo Ferrari's quote..." Alfa is the only marque capable of making gloves for mosquitoes".

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My '71 1750 GTV was the second Alfa I purchased. At the time I was crazy impressed with GTA's and in particular GTAM's. Knowing I never wanted to sell the car (still have after 28 years) I did my thing. Hot street engine, no bumpers, GTAM cones up front, 14 x 7 panasports, oversized open exhaust, kept the Spica pump but had it modified by Norman in Cali. Lucky me, I've never had a problem with my car and 28 years later, looks like it was built a few years ago. However, at the time, the money spent could have purchased a half dozen Giulietta Veloces.

Maybe I'm beginning to show my age, etc... I have come to appreciate some of the older Alfa classics. I realized that steering a nicely restored Giulietta Sprint on 155 tires is heavenly. I have come to appreciate the delicate lines of master designers wheel arches. I have come to understand that an Alfa tuned to factory specs usually runs and performs better than back-yard tune-ups. I now know that a factory carburetor doesn't always need to be a Weber. And that factory interiors were beautiful and rarely do people bother to make them better.

There is no right or wrong on what one does to his or her personal car. However, ..... please don't put a 5 speed 101 transmission on a 4 speed tunnel case and tell me it's "improved" when you decide to sell it.

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