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post #1 of 18 (permalink) Old 01-11-2013, 04:07 AM Thread Starter
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Fuel line Hose Clamps?

In my last AACA show the only thing they faulted was my hose clamps. I use screw clamps. The car originally came with what I can only describe as cotter pin clamps. They were tightened by twisting the clamp through the hole in the end of the clamp. I want to get a set of these clamps to use when I enter AACA events. Are they available?
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The clamps are known as banding hose clamps. Check out newcoproducts.com. They sell a lot of reproduction Ferrari hardware. They are expensive but they what you need.
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I would suggest you contact Parker Hall, Kildesigns, as he has these in two sizes for Ferrari's of the 60's vintage-same as for Alfa's of similar vintage. PM me for a phone number if you want.
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Also called "copiglia clamps". Multiple sources of new material, including eBay.
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I don't know who AACA is but I am sure "they" were doing some real back slapping at your expense and probably missed some more pont deductions more obvious than the niggly little clamps. I haven't found a car I have judged that didn't deserve a gig or two or three....

For what it is worth, the clamps they gigged you for are very difficult to make work especially on fuel lines. There are some things to consider-- 1) fuel lines that leak can cause a serious fire, I am sure I don't have to tell you that 2) these clamps are not designed to be reused and new strapping should be used for each application 3) there is a specific method to wrapping the band and winding the band on the pin to maximize the force and keep the tention on it. Hope this helps. If you can get an undisturbed clamp to seee how to copy the wrap and take up, it will help you with other applications where they don't risk flammable leakage and where they can be reused, such as air ducts.
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The club in Question is the Antique Auto Club of America. Their focus is on originality.The car in question has never been dinged despite my best efforts. When I vintage raced it I resisted the impulse to flare the fenders, cut weight and the ever popular two liter motor. I did try wider wheels once. At the Steamboat Springs vintage race I went out to practice. On one of the turns I went into it flat out in third gear. As Alfas will, it leaned over. As the body listed to port the fenders came down over the front wheels and pulled them straight. Straight ahead is never the best line through a corner.
As far as the clamps go I will put them on before parking the car at the show and remove them afterwards. The AACA requires a fire extinguisher for every car so I'm not real worried.
The AACA shows are eye opening. At the last one they had some cars that were over 100 years old. I watched a Stanley Steamed drive by. I enjoy the cars and the people.
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The AACA requires a fire extinguisher for every car so I'm not real worried.
I would be, as fire started by fuel leakage can spread so fast you wouldn´t believe it and using a little fire extinguisher is like spitting at it.....been there....

But ok, certainly better than nothing....

P.S. The twist clamps you´re looking for are often advertised on italien Ebay (Giulietta section)

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As far as the clamps go I will put them on before parking the car at the show and remove them afterwards.
I think you are more likely to have a leak doing it that way, as opposed to installing them once and checking for leaks every time you use the car. If the failure rate for these clamps is 10% of installations (say), the more often you install & remove them, the more probable the failures.

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Are the commonly available Copiglia clamps with the cotter pin style pin in fact correct for our cars? The original ones I have seen have all had a hex headed pin.
I have not come across a source for these.
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You are correct about the hex head and nothing available.
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Wink Just the facts......

So much mis-info on these clamps and the original green fuel lines here on the BB.

In about 2001, I restored a very original first series Duetto. Last two pics of the fuel system removed from the car.....
All original clamps and hoses.
No leaks....
Lines are stiff but no cracks.

First pic is the new lines and clamps installed in 2001.
After 12 years, no leaks, no cracks.

So, install the right clamps and hoses correctly and enjoy your Alfa !
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I personally advise against Newco. They may have what you need, but my one effort to deal with them resulted in them throwing away an irreplaceable hose end because I sent him a check for the postage back instead of an actual $5 bill. Anyone that does that doesn't deserve support, in my opinion. There are other sources.

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Smile Fuel line hose clamps

Does anyone have a diagram of how to apply the strap to the cotter pin clamp and would you publish it?
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330gtc,

Here are the instructions.

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Thanks Joe-

I do not read German and French poorly.

Would you resend, as I only received the first 4 or 5 lines of what you sent
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