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post #1 of 38 (permalink) Old 01-20-2019, 10:46 PM Thread Starter
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New Giulia GTV6

All the car mags & Alfa sites predict the new GTV6 Giulia is just a sedan Giulia with a slant roof.LOL.Does anyone really believe that.it was supposed to be shown in the spring of '16.So Fiat co. knows exactly what she looks like.How in sam hill can they keep that under raps for over two years? not even one spy pic.Ya gotta give them credit.Even the state dept. ain't that secret.C'mon wiki leaks.Just one pic of the gtv.
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Yes, just a two door built on exactly the same frame, everything.

If not that, Alfa Romeo a silly money wasters, afterall that is all BMW coupes are.

Personally the couple is not required, and would be an ego trip for Alfa. They need to put $'s into their after sales process not produce another poorly supported model.
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Crash structure engineering requires coupes to be as strongly built as four door sedans. Unless the coupe is specifically engineered on its own platform, like Porsche sportscars are, the coupe is as heavy as the sedan version. Even coupes like the Subaru BRZ are nearly as heavy as the much roomier Impreza they are based upon.

It's an artifact of collision requirements. Can't be engineered around.

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The Bertone coupe' & the Berlina & the giulia were built on the same chassis.That being with sixty years ago & the ancient (comparably) methods available for shaping & styling then.The alfetta & the gt/gtv6 & the new giulietta.Same platform.Of course the Bertone coupe is not a Berlina with a shortened chassis in any stretch of the imagination.
I contend the new GTV will look NOTHING like the giulia.
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They would be better off releasing the stretched (ie--5-series) version of the sedan and SUV first. The Stelvio is great, but it is too small. Big luxury sedans drive showroom traffic.

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They would be better off releasing the stretched (ie--5-series) version of the sedan and SUV first. The Stelvio is great, but it is too small. Big luxury sedans drive showroom traffic.
Agree, but disagree that the Stelvio is too small. Americans need to adjust to smaller more efficient cars. Driving your house around just wastes energy. For example: there is plenty of room for 4 people, occasionally 5 (short trips), in the 156 and Americans would consider that a micro car ...

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Agree, but disagree that the Stelvio is too small. Americans need to adjust to smaller more efficient cars. Driving your house around just wastes energy.

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So does a twin turbo v6 with 505 horsepower. Actually, our giant SUV gets the same mileage as the Guilia Quad...and it has a V8.

Just try fitting 2 child seats, an Au Pair, 2 German Shepherds and an English Springer into a Stelvio for a week long trip into Utah...oh and you still have to pack!

Different vehicles for people with different needs.

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"The Stelvio is great, but it is too small. Big luxury sedans drive showroom traffic"

I think gas prices are too low.
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GTV is to be built on the Giulia platform with the same suspension and drivetrains. One version is to also have electric power to the front wheels in a nod to CO2 reduction.

New 8C is to be on an aluminum platform. Possibly will look as similar to Jaguar's upcoming XK GT as the Stelvio does to the F Pace. The 8C will be enormously expensive but at least it might qualify as a sportscar depending on whether it has two seats or four.

Both cars will be heavy. The GTV will be a styling exercise and no sportscar that's for sure. The heaviest version will have the hybrid electric power.

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"The Stelvio is great, but it is too small. Big luxury sedans drive showroom traffic"

I think gas prices are too low.
Very funny.

I assume you meant: too low to influence North American buying habits. Fer sure, fer sure. Here in my home town the pickup truck rules in both open bed and SUV form. And I mean real pickups: F150/250/350, Expeditions and Suburbans. Huge with huge drivetrains.

Our gas prices are CAD$0.90 per litre which is well under US$2.50 per US gallon and our fuel taxes have gone up!!!!

The CO2 enviromaniacs are having kniptions up here. Even massive carbon taxes are having zippedy doo dah effect on consumption or car buying decisions.

Of course, we would prefer WTI at $100 per bbl.....exits off stage uncontrollably laughing.
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just because it has an alfa badge i have to like it? drove the stelvio.don't like it.drove many types of 4wd crappers.the cadillac escalade, honda (whatever it's called) jeep.don't like any of them.stupid cars in my opinion.i don't give a tinkers dam on gas guzzling.just don't like jeeps.
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Agree, but disagree that the Stelvio is too small. Americans need to adjust to smaller more efficient cars. Driving your house around just wastes energy.

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So does a twin turbo v6 with 505 horsepower. Actually, our giant SUV gets the same mileage as the Guilia Quad...and it has a V8.

Just try fitting 2 child seats, an Au Pair, 2 German Shepherds and an English Springer into a Stelvio for a week long trip into Utah...oh and you still have to pack!

Different vehicles for people with different needs.
You dont need an SUV, you need a bus.

And yes the 505hp v6 is stupid. I wouldn't buy that model, unless I was a millionaire and could literally burn money ...
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A form of decadence, perhaps? I see people all the time who buy large/expensive vehicles, plus other really expensive toys, smart phones, hitting very expensive restaurants, more children than they can care for properly, etc, and yet they now complain that they are one paycheck away from going broke due to the government shutdown, with little or no savings. Makes one wonder.

Our neighbor was exactly like that. Had to declare bankruptcy, and was going to do it again until the government changed the rules, making it more difficult. Sort of learned his lesson a little, drives only a small Honda instead of the Ford Excursion, living in a much smaller house, but still buys ciggies, booze, maryjane, and hits the local casino to do a little gambling. Barely hangs on, one check away from losing his house. Tried to help him and his wife to figure out budgets, but they couldn't refrain from just plain buying whatever they saw.

Was an excellent example for us to avoid.

Meanwhile, a new GTV6? Would be interesting to see. I spect it will indeed be based on the Giulia, fastback with two doors although they could make it somewhat more practical by doing the Mazda thing with two small "suicide" rear doors". That was one thing my wife and I didn't care for with our GTV6s in that the rear seats were pretty useless, being difficult for adults to get into and out of. People didn't want to ride with us (although sometimes that was a handy excuse, lol).

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All the car mags & Alfa sites predict the new GTV6 Giulia is just a sedan Giulia with a slant roof.LOL.Does anyone really believe that.it was supposed to be shown in the spring of '16. So Fiat co. knows exactly what she looks like. How in sam hill can they keep that under raps for over two years?
Markets changed, sedans are in a slump, Chrysler is in financial trouble, emissions cheating penalties, Marchionne died, different people in charge now, corporate priorities have changed. All the Big Plans for Alfa I think are on hold, and that's why it's been quiet for some time now. Alfa may be in trouble, Maserati isn't selling cars, they may sell off Dodge trucks and/or Jeep for the cash....who knows.

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Agree, but disagree that the Stelvio is too small. Americans need to adjust to smaller more efficient cars. Driving your house around just wastes energy. For example: there is plenty of room for 4 people, occasionally 5 (short trips), in the 156 and Americans would consider that a micro car ...

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I agree. I recently sold our MB R350 6 passenger x-over and replaced with a FIAT 500X. I have 3 kids ages 8-15. We have no problem going out together.(wife included)

My brother has 2 kids ages 3-6 and went from a pathfinder to a 7 pass explorer....why?

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