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New Giulia Q4

Well I pulled the trigger on this one.

17' Q4 in Trofeo White, leather package, Red leather, 19x8 wheels, Static package and Harmon/Kardon system. Only thing it is missing is an LSD but I am waiting for aftermarket on those or throw in a OEM unit in the next few months.

Suspension for now is staying stock which is near perfect anyway. Basically just going to do my thing to this. I am staying away from all the first to the market aftermarket products, especially lowering springs. Most, if not all of them lower way too much and the car does not look balanced and it performs worse than people realize.

I am focusing on subtle aesthetics for the car. It will be subtle and classy.

19X9 and 19X8 staggered
New tires- Michelin PS2
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No suspension mods period
Subtle things...

We will see from here as I want to work on tuning and wait for more aftermarket.



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Congratulations Jason!

Where you able to find a 2017 brand new leftover or did did you buy it used?

Very nice car.

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Congrats.

I still wonder about the driving difference between the four wheel drive and the rear drive w/limited slip. Guess I would have to drive both to see for myself.

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Congratulations Jason!

Where you able to find a 2017 brand new leftover or did did you buy it used?

Very nice car.

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It's "used" with 8K miles on it. Tint is coming of asap! Thank you guys. I am so very happy. I pick it up in about a week after my mini vacation. It's 3hrs away from me.


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I did a 50% tint on mine but yeah, the tint on your car looks to be 35% which is very dark.
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Congrats.

I still wonder about the driving difference between the four wheel drive and the rear drive w/limited slip. Guess I would have to drive both to see for myself.
Thanks Del!

It's really hard to tell as the Q4 is mainly RWD. It feels like a RWD car.
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Funny, do you think if you put slotted rotors you can improve one of the best brakes in the world? What will you install? Brembo? Giulia already has Brembo. The same about other "improvements". There are no tuners who made engine better. Even Romeo Ferraris got +33HP and 58Nm And 0.1 sec to 100km/h No one can crack Multiair. Giulia is not FIAT anymore, and it is not BMW or other German crap. Do not try to improve perfectly designed car

LSD? Why not to buy with perfomance pack (LSD and electrical shock absorber)

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(For road cars) it's never about the performance gain as it is personalising the car.

Top Gear did a great special on this and proved hotting up a road car was pointless, money wasting process.
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Congrats.

I still wonder about the driving difference between the four wheel drive and the rear drive w/limited slip. Guess I would have to drive both to see for myself.
The Q4 AWD Package [NOT a full-time system but an on-demand one via computer sensors.] and the Q2 Performance Package [LSD and (driver-adjustable) adaptive suspension] are available together ... it is not an either / or situation.

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Funny, do you think if you put slotted rotors you can improve one of the best brakes in the world? What will you install? Brembo? Giulia already has Brembo. The same about other "improvements". There are no tuners who made engine better. Even Romeo Ferraris got +33HP and 58Nm And 0.1 sec to 100km/h No one can crack Multiair. Giulia is not FIAT anymore, and it is not BMW or other German crap. Do not try to improve perfectly designed car

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Hmm, being snarky here or what?

No, solid rotors rule over anything else, more surface area.

Tuning. I will be experimenting with tunes that do not use up the remaining parameters that Alfa left in place. I normally never tune my alfa engines. I did do a ECU chip in my 164S which was very subtle.

I agree with you that it is perfection, it's also fun to have some fun with these. I am only talking about flashing here, nothing more. But if it is useless I won't be doing it. Most stuff is.

"LSD? Why not to buy with performance pack (LSD and electrical shock absorber)"

Because I didn't. I found basically the one I wanted locally and that's what I got no LSD or active suspension. It was a great price as well. I have not found one with everything I wanted in the color I wanted anywhere. I am settling for now but I am sure I will be very happy with it and forget about those missing items. Having a mechanical LSD at some point might be nice and might be the only upgrade I do.

Suspension I am sure it just fine. I am not doing aftermarket here at all. I mean I would like the Q4 to sit at the level of the Q2 but I will let others experiment and find out what happens. One thing I am researching. The lowering springs for the giulia all drop the car way too much and I don't support making a car worse! If I can use a OEM spring on the Q4 to bring it down .5" then that's the route I will go. I have to research the OEM springs from US and EU.

For the most part I agree with you but as mentioned it's mainly things I am thinking about not sold on doing.

thanks for the comments.
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(For road cars) it's never about the performance gain as it is personalising the car.

Top Gear did a great special on this and proved hotting up a road car was pointless, money wasting process.
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I agree. See above post.

Mostly Pointless! I have to see that episode to see what they are referring to.
With those terms, the giulia quad is essentially pointless as well.

Would I make mine look slightly different but still keeping it fairly stock, yes. Quad spoiler, carbon fiber pieces, sure. I may even want to see if I can fit euro bumper with headlamp washers. It's the little subtle things I prefer.

I have been on the boat for a long time that being a purist is a great way to go (sometimes the only) and will typically cause no issues in the long run with the vehicle. The more crap you do the more problems you have. That said I am 90% purist if you know me from my 164. I usually use the OEM stuff to change things. Just wait until I get my hands on a wrecked giulia!


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I did a 50% tint on mine but yeah, the tint on your car looks to be 35% which is very dark.
AZ that's why! Everyone has to put tint on. I hate it. Looks ok on dark cars but I like OEM clear glass. Nice and clean look I like!

Yours looks good. I just can't stand dark tint.


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I would change wheels for lighter weight (to decrease unsprung mass) and use better tires (for American market they are horrible all season, in EU tires are much much better). Probably performance package has many different from regular version parts (springs, shock absorbers, etc..) as it was done before for 147/156/166/159/Brera Turismo Internazionale. ePer can help to figure out the differences.

And the last one, usually AR changes alignment for performance versions, sometimes they even changed tire pressure for performance versions (see eLum of European versions).
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Buying a new Giulia in white.
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I would change wheels for lighter weight (to decrease unsprung mass) and use better tires (for American market they are horrible all season, in EU tires are much much better). Probably performance package has many different from regular version parts (springs, shock absorbers, etc..) as it was done before for 147/156/166/159/Brera Turismo Internazionale. ePer can help to figure out the differences.

And the last one, usually AR changes alignment for performance versions, sometimes they even changed tire pressure for performance versions (see eLum of European versions).
First thing I am doing is dumping the tires. I am replacing with a Michelin PS. No idea what I'd get for an 'all-seaons" tire. Cinturato P7 All Season Plus, get's good reviews and does a decent job in snow.

I'd like to change the wheels for lighter ones but I have not found any I like, so for now I keep the OEM.

I can't find my link to ePER for the giulia parts. Do you have that?

I'll have a look at alignment specs US vs EU.


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