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post #46 of 61 (permalink) Old 01-07-2019, 06:15 PM
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Del, you know, I've actually considered this. Really. I drive this car so seldom that each time behind the wheel is like the first time. It's not my daily driver, it's my pet. It's an occasion every time it emerges from my garage. I fire it up every few days/weeks to keep the blood flowing but actually taking it out on an excursion is another matter. This time of year with those Pirelli P-Zeroes would be a mistake as they will never warm up at this latitude. So during the winter months, it stays put in the garage. But good point to raise Del, thank you.
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Sitivene, assolutamente terrificante! And yes, I have been on giulia forums.com I posted a link to my comments above. I need to do another more thorough search of all the content looking for my particular issue. I will check Eurosompulsion.com too, thank you for that info Sitivene )
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post #48 of 61 (permalink) Old 01-07-2019, 06:23 PM
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Tell you what, you could leave it in my garage, and I would take really good care of it, driving it carefully to keep the blood flowing, lol. I think I could be happy with the performance it does have, wink, wink.

One can drive Alfas all year around here with no problems, as there are no rust problems, and it doesn't snow or ice up worth talking about most years (well, maybe 505 hp just might make things just a little more interesting in the wet, lol).

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62 Morris MiniMinor 850, 67 Austin 1275 Cooper S (Downton 3/4 race), 64 Giulia Sprint GT (1st red one made), 72 Fiat 128 Sedan, 75 Alfetta Sedan, 78 Alfetta Sedan, 78 GTV, 81 GTV6, 86 GTV6
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post #49 of 61 (permalink) Old 01-07-2019, 06:26 PM
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Thumbs up La pensione

Sure! No problem Del... just rent me a room in your palatial villa and you can drive my Quad all you like. I tell everyone at work that when I retire I'm going somewhere where there is no native word for snow, or ice! -lol
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post #50 of 61 (permalink) Old 01-07-2019, 06:31 PM
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You also don't want perennial sun, as that also destroys cars.
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62 Morris MiniMinor 850, 67 Austin 1275 Cooper S (Downton 3/4 race), 64 Giulia Sprint GT (1st red one made), 72 Fiat 128 Sedan, 75 Alfetta Sedan, 78 Alfetta Sedan, 78 GTV, 81 GTV6, 86 GTV6
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post #51 of 61 (permalink) Old 01-08-2019, 10:37 AM
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"I'M SAYING MY CAR IS AROUND 80% DIMINISHED. TO THEM, THAT WOULD BE IMPERCEPTIBLE"

Patrick I don't believe that for an instant. So you really believe that if you drove the same model cars where one had 500hp and the other car had 20% less power on the same course where you could really use the cars' full potential that you, or anyone for that matter, would not only feel the difference but feel it in a significant way? Sorry buddy but I would bet hard money that you're wrong.

I realize that the time and distance aspects to experience this is a problem but the end result I think would be well worth it, and it would tell you (and the dealer) everything one would need to know about YOUR car.
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You have a very good argument alfamale44 and on the outset what I was saying does seem absurd. However if I still have this car come spring I do intend to take them up on their offer but armed with information. Here's all I've gathered so far,
1) My Q4 Ti Sport *feels* faster
2) My Quad is not the car it was when I bought it, and both my wife and I agree on this.
3) It's been to the dealer on this issue and all they did was clear the codes and say it's fine. They even claimed to have driven it.
I have found (last night) others on the giulia forums with similar issues with going around a corner and having it spit codes and go into limp mode exactly as mine did. What I have learned since however is there's a TSB regarding this issue and it calls for the fuel pump and feed tube to be replaced. Which wasn't done on mine. The codes it gave me are the same ones mentioned by others in the forum as well. I'm just getting into this TSB matter so I'm not well versed in it enough to describe it in more detail tonight but if my fuel pump and feed tube are compromised, and my car is suffering from a lack of performance, this makes sense.
I wish that long curve that started this mess was close to home so I could put this to the test with replication but it's 230 miles from here. Where we live there's no such curves. It's miles and miles and miles of straights, which is great for top end runs. I've only managed 143mph and that took some work in its current condition.
Oh, and another bit of keen advice they gave me at the dealership was never to drive the car with less than 1/2 tank of gas. Brilliant.

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post #53 of 61 (permalink) Old 01-08-2019, 04:30 PM
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As we learn more, sounds like they found out that the gas tank internal baffling and fuel pickup can't handle the fuel sloshing in certain high g long turns, allowing the fuel pick up to suck air, figuratively and literally. Then the engine computer goes into limp home mode.

So maybe their temporary fix is to detune the engine slightly to keep the car lateral loading and fuel consumption, (ie, power) down, tell you to not let the fuel level go too low, and then issue the TSB to install an improved fuel pick up in the tank. Makes sense. Most likely not a problem with the pump itself.

If they put the TSB fix in, hopefully they could change the software back to what it originally came with if in fact they had detuned the engine slightly. But this is just a guess on my part.

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That sounds logical. I'm still torn. I fell in love with an idea, and reality seems to differ radically from the idea. At least as long as I own a car dependent on the dealer for its care, and their innate desire to withhold information from me. It's maddening. Reading the giulia forums, I'm not alone. Facing a choice tonight (and the next several nights) on whether or not to part ways with my Quad. My Q4 Ti Sport has been beyond exemplary. My Quad is a real heartbreaker.
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As for the TSB, I have to prove my case again. I'll need to drive a pretty good distance to find another corner where I can hope to replicate the situation again. Even with all that, they may simply clear the codes, pat me on the head, and say "it's fine" like they did last time. *bangs head on desk*
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For what it's worth gentlemen, I have posted my Quad for sale. I have it at $69k. If you or anyone would like to have my car please, by all means. I'm seriously upside down on it but that doesn't matter much to me now. My loss, your gain. I will however be retaining my Q4 Ti Sport, at least for now.
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OK, if your Ti Q4 is faster than your QV then this really does suck. Del may have diagnosed the problem but if they haven't replaced the parts via the TSB then for sure you should get that done. That might be all that it takes but I feel for you with the frustration, anger, and non response from Alfa with which you've had to deal. They need to get this right because if they lose customers like you then we Alfa lovers will all suffer.

Also I have a Ti Q4 with almost 19k mi. and it's been perfect. I hope you keep yours for a long time.
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post #58 of 61 (permalink) Old 01-08-2019, 08:51 PM
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I agree that the TSB fix should be taken care of before you do anything else.

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62 Morris MiniMinor 850, 67 Austin 1275 Cooper S (Downton 3/4 race), 64 Giulia Sprint GT (1st red one made), 72 Fiat 128 Sedan, 75 Alfetta Sedan, 78 Alfetta Sedan, 78 GTV, 81 GTV6, 86 GTV6
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Sold my Quad tonight.
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post #60 of 61 (permalink) Old 03-07-2019, 09:15 AM
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I see in the newest CU magazine, they as usual rate Alfa Romeo as very unreliable/unacceptable. It seems they have no basis for this poor rating except for their anti-Italian car bias.
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