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Don't worry, there are always those who are willing to take the chance and buy the first model of just about any product, including cars. So, there will always be a supply of these used cars, whether they were traded in on newer models, a different make, or they come off lease. My 91S was just off a 3 year lease when I bought it in 94 with 40k miles.

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You know I had a few awful, crappy, piss poor experiences at my Audi dealership. True story.

Should Audi be run out of the country? Some of you cats are really strung out on the ghosts of Alfa's past. If the "true" alfisti here won't give them the benefit of the doubt, why should anyone??

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I'm still driving them, and don't get concerned about any of the glitches a few are reporting for the new ones. Nothing new there, folks. All cars have a few foibles, count on it. Let them get up to speed.

People love Subies, but I remember the mighty 360. My 62 Morris MiniMinor 850 with 37 powerful hp would blow it off in so many ways, lol.
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You know I had a few awful, crappy, piss poor experiences at my Audi dealership. True story.

Should Audi be run out of the country? Some of you cats are really strung out on the ghosts of Alfa's past. If the "true" alfisti here won't give them the benefit of the doubt, why should anyone??

Just sayin'
So true ... heck.

BTW I'd never own an Audi either, but not because of a bad experience or that I've heard their service departments are bad, I've just heard stories about breakdowns ... and they are German ... but then a short wheelbase Quattro ...
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Don't worry, there are always those who are willing to take the chance and buy the first model of just about any product, including cars. So, there will always be a supply of these used cars, whether they were traded in on newer models, a different make, or they come off lease. My 91S was just off a 3 year lease when I bought it in 94 with 40k miles.
My local dealer sold 12 of the 164 in the five (4 really) model years. One was totalled the year it was bought and another a year or so later.

I still own mine because nobody would buy it.

So, not true. Sales of new cars are heavily dependent on resales of used cars, not the other way around. That's what lease residuals mean.

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"My local dealer sold 12 of the 164 in the five (4 really) model years. One was totaled the year it was bought and another a year or so later"

Yeah, but it's Calgary, wink, wink. I wouldn't regard that fine city as a prime market for Alfas of any sort.About like Spokane I suspect. Nice town otherwise, been there a couple of times.

BTW, due to very recent events, we decided to visit Canada more often, and spend more money, lol. We stick by our friends.



Any more word on the "terrible experience" subject?
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My local dealer sold 12 of the 164 in the five (4 really) model years. One was totalled the year it was bought and another a year or so later.

I still own mine because nobody would buy it.

So, not true. Sales of new cars are heavily dependent on resales of used cars, not the other way around. That's what lease residuals mean.
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Who was a dealer in Calgary in 90s? I know we had one in Edmonton but never heard about the Calgary's.

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"My local dealer sold 12 of the 164 in the five (4 really) model years. One was totaled the year it was bought and another a year or so later"

Yeah, but it's Calgary, wink, wink. I wouldn't regard that fine city as a prime market for Alfas of any sort.About like Spokane I suspect. Nice town otherwise, been there a couple of times.

BTW, due to very recent events, we decided to visit Canada more often, and spend more money, lol. We stick by our friends.



Any more word on the "terrible experience" subject?

The pre Fiat Alfas were quite popular here. The 164 an abject failure saleswise.

Due to not so recent events I now refrain from visiting or even passing through the USA even though I have relatives living in California. Your current administration is working hard to drive away tourists. Perhaps the only successful policy.

Most Canadians look forward to returning to the USA after November of 2019....

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Please don't be that way. The present administration has not changed the situation for tourists, wherever they are from. The country is still wonderful for the most part (maybe the potential loss of a National Park or Primitive Area), and Canadians, for instance, are more than welcome in this country.

Lots of good roads for driving Alfas, lol, bad Alfa dealers notwithstanding.

Keep us posted on the terrible experience deal.

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Who was a dealer in Calgary in 90s? I know we had one in Edmonton but never heard about the Calgary's.

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The pre Fiat Alfas were quite popular here. The 164 an abject failure saleswise.

Due to not so recent events I now refrain from visiting or even passing through the USA even though I have relatives living in California. Your current administration is working hard to drive away tourists. Perhaps the only successful policy.

Most Canadians look forward to returning to the USA after November of 2019....
Sorry Mike, Trump will be here until 2024. But lets keep politics off the Board...it doesn't change anything and it only divides people.
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"Trump will be here until 2024"

Lets keep politics off the Board...it doesn't change anything and it only divides people, as much as we would perhaps really like to comment, but only in a different venue or arena.

I want to know more about the "terrible" Alfa purchase tale as it progresses, if it does.

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I suspect the OP now realizes that the noises he complained of were the well documented tire scrub noises resulting from Alfa's choice of the degree of departure from geometric Ackerman angles.

The problem arose from a customer without adequate understanding of high performance suspension alignmment combined with a dealership with similar low levels of understanding and information.

The real puzzle is why FCA tolerates dealerships like this.

There is no doubt that the Alfa Giulia is set up to handle exceptionally well and Alfa has implemented their favoured non Ackerman steering geometry for a very long time now. The Alfetta/GTV6/Milano also used non Ackerman steering geometry and each of those models exhibited very fine handling especially at high speeds which is where Ackerman is pretty much useless due to load transfer effects on optimum slip angles.

Aficionados of Ackerman geometry (unless for very stiffly sprung racing cars) fail to appreciate that the geometry was devised in the early 1800's to improve steering of very low speed iron tired wooden wheeled horse drawn carriages. It has no place in pneumatic tired high speed vehicles.
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