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So, tootling around at low revs isn't being gentle on your car, it's hurting it!
Viva the Italian tune up!
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The engines are made by Ferrari for Alfa.
The Alfa engines, 4 cyl and V6, are made by Fiat Chrysler Automobiles plant at Termoli south in Italy. The V6 engine was designed by a team lead by an Alfa Romeo employed engineer who came from Ferrari. Clearly technology was trasferred from Ferrari V8, so they call the Alfa V6 for Ferrari derived.

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Totally incorrect regarding Ackerman.



Where in hell do you get your information?
I could ask where you get your information about Ackerman but since it's all over the Internet and you are either looking in the wrong place or don't understand what Ackerman geometry actually is, I won't. I venture a guess that zero modern cars use theoretical Ackerman geometry. And zero race cars also. Pneumatic tires don't benefit from perfect Ackerman.

As for no break in period for modern engines and no early oil changes I refer you to the engine manufacturers who all agree on this. Oil makers also.

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The Alfa engines, 4 cyl and V6, are made by Fiat Chrysler Automobiles plant at Termoli south in Italy. The V6 engine was designed by a team lead by an Alfa Romeo employed engineer who came from Ferrari. Clearly technology was trasferred from Ferrari V8, so they call the Alfa V6 for Ferrari derived.

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Sorry, engineered by Ferrari. The point to be made was that it is not a FIAT engine. The four cylinder is a FIAT engine. There's another V6 in the FCA armoury based on the Chrysler Pentastar which has also been reworked by Ferrari and gets installed in Maserati or two. It's getting hard to tell the origin of engines. That Pentastar V6 was jointly engineered with Hyundai of all people.

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There is no such thing as a FIAT, Alfa Romeo, Chrysler, Ferrari, Lancia or Maserati engine anymore, they are all made by Fiat Chrysler Automobiles.

In the end, WHAT the engine has been designed for is far more important and what really counts, ie. was it designed to win F1 races or lumber up a hill pulling 40 tonnes and fueled by diesel.
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Terrible dealership experience. It's your car if you want to change the oil at 1000 miles they should simply respond to your request.

I also wonder what the issues are with the front suspension of your car.
My QV makes scrubbing noises at low speed especially in the garage. I understand that is the nature of the beast and a compromise one accepts for incredibly handling at speed. Your dealer may be trying to solve a non problem.

Building and supporting a competent dealership network is the greatest challenge FAC has in the Alfa reintroduction campaign. Hope things work out for you.
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FCA made a huge mistake trying to set up independent FIAT dealerships having basically two models to sell: the FIAT 500 in its several guises and a tarted up Mazda Miata. Then gave them the Alfa Giulia QV to sell and service.

In Canada FCA made the mistake of attaching the FIAT brand to existing Dodge and Chrysler dealerships.

Neither had the skills or interest in marketing little Italian cars and a Japanese roadster.

At least in Canada FCA assigned Alfa to Ferrari dealers.

The OP is suffering from FCA's total lack of foresight in setting up a capable dealership network for Alfa in the USA. In Canada the FIAT brand is basically dead again, although it was in reality DOA. Alfa has a fighting chance as the entry level brand to Maserati and Ferrari.

Absent better details from our OP I suspect the front suspension noise is tire scrub from the steering angle alignment chosen by Alfa, reduced Ackerman. Ironically, I suspect the dealership is both incompetent and trying to appear knowledgable.

This is the ARDONA fiasco all over again.

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This from AR technical documentation. Sorry, translated by Google from Italian

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The particular type of front suspension used for Stelvio (Alfa ™ Link) has been studied and developed to obtain the best dynamic performance in all driving conditions.



In particular, the quadrilateral scheme with semi-dual steering axis with double swing arm allows the variation of the Ackermann angle as the steering angle changes.



The angle of Ackermann is given by a different steering angle between internal and external wheel.



This feature, which is normally reserved for the most prestigious sports cars, has undergone a specific set-up in order to guarantee the lowest understeer possible in all driving conditions and thus to allow Stelvio a better dynamic driving with greater safety and driving pleasure.


In particular driving conditions with fully steered wheels it is however possible to generate a slight drag of the inner wheel which can be perceived as a tire hopping accompanied by noise.



This phenomenon, called chattering, is influenced by the following parameters:

Characteristics and temperature of the road surface
Type of tires
Tire pressure
Steering angle
Maneuver speed
The noise that is felt in the driving condition described above is therefore determined by the parameters listed above and must NOT be considered an anomaly or a defect in the car.


This phenomenon is inherent only to specific project choices desired to pursue the maximum result in terms of safety of the car, does not affect in any way on dynamic safety or even deterioration of tires or any other mechanical component.
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Well done Alfa Romeo . your come back in USA is a success, you are following the path of Fiat and their wonderful consumers rating in this country!
Since Fiat owns Alfa. Their following the path they always have.

Also all new models have teething problems. Especially in this day and age when everything on the car is controlled by a computer. Its not just Alfa all of the European manufacturers reliability has slipped compared to 20 plus years ago. When cars were still fairly simple compared today.

When you throw in a manufacturer coming back into the U.S. after 20 years and having to train mechanics on cars that have no real world miles on them. A lot of problems are going to take time to fix.

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There is no such thing as a FIAT, Alfa Romeo, Chrysler, Ferrari, Lancia or Maserati engine anymore, they are all made by Fiat Chrysler Automobiles.

In the end, WHAT the engine has been designed for is far more important and what really counts, ie. was it designed to win F1 races or lumber up a hill pulling 40 tonnes and fueled by diesel.
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Sorry, engineered by Ferrari. The point to be made was that it is not a FIAT engine. The four cylinder is a FIAT engine. There's another V6 in the FCA armoury based on the Chrysler Pentastar which has also been reworked by Ferrari and gets installed in Maserati or two. It's getting hard to tell the origin of engines. That Pentastar V6 was jointly engineered with Hyundai of all people.
V6 was not engineered by Ferrari. V6 and L4 were designed mostly by Maserati technicians. Ferrari was not involved in the development at all.
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Current Alfa Romeo are made by Alfa Romeo Spa
And its still owned by Fiat.

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Porsche tried to sell its customers on the once a year oil change...only to discover that even modern synthetic oils break down from moisture generated by the many short trips that modern city driving has turned into. Porsche went back to changing oil every five thousand miles or six months, which ever is sooner. I'm guess most Alfa dealers don't even know how to change the oil on the Giulia. And the factory sends the 4 cylinder owners a car without a dip stick...so the check your oil you have to sit in the car and let it idle for 5 minutes. That is absurd.
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And its still owned by Fiat.
Yes, Jim, you are right
It is 100% owned by FCA Italy S.p.A. Registered in Turin. Share capital is 120,000 Euro

There is also another company 100% owned by FCA Italy S.p.A - Alfa Romeo U.S.A. S.p.A. Registered in Turin. Share capital is 120,000 Euro
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This from AR technical documentation. Sorry, translated by Google from Italian
Thanks for the article.
How can you find that and not the dealer?
That's incredible.... you know I really think this was the problem.
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