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post #1 of 22 (permalink) Old 11-11-2017, 10:58 PM Thread Starter
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Bad Engine on 2017 Quadrifoglio

No I am not a troll and this is 100% true. I was looking at the Giulia (4 cylinders) and they had a 2017 Quadrifoglio at the dealer with the engine out. I asked whatís happened, the tech said it had a misfire and alfa wanted them to put in a new engine so they can study what was wrong with this engine. He said this was the second one with the issue and the cost for the engine is over $25,000.
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No I am not a troll and this is 100% true. I was looking at the Giulia (4 cylinders) and they had a 2017 Quadrifoglio at the dealer with the engine out. I asked whatís happened, the tech said it had a misfire and alfa wanted them to put in a new engine so they can study what was wrong with this engine. He said this was the second one with the issue and the cost for the engine is over $25,000.
Why are you posting this same post on multiple boards? Same exact words, cut and paste job. Do you have any proof? Photos? This appears to be false.
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Why are you posting this same post on multiple boards? Same exact words, cut and paste job. Do you have any proof? Photos? This appears to be false.
Yes I copy and pasted my own words and that proves what? Your accusatory questions don’t deserve a response I really don’t care if you believe it or not it won’t change the truth . Just budget probably around $40,000 once your warranty runs out. ��
The six is a Ferrari engine, when it goes bad it’s an expensive bad. Don’t accuse me of lying, you sir lack integrity.
Believe I love posting so much and wanted to bash a brand and car I love and just made this all up, and why the Hell would I do that? It its 100 % true and that is why I posted it.

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Happens all the time with all marques.

Does seem drastic to replace the whole engine just because of a miss-fire ... so unnecessarily complex nowadays ...
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Happens all the time with all marques.

Does seem drastic to replace the whole engine just because of a miss-fire ... so unnecessarily complex nowadays ...
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Thatís was my thoughts and the tech wanted to find out the cause but Alfa wanted the engine. My guess is the success of the launch is more important to Alfa than $25,000. They wanted to take the engines as they are and go through them to solve the problem. I told the tech is sounded more electrical and he said they determine itís mechanical. He said the engines for the 4 cylinder cars around 4-5 K cost and he felt they were very good. He said DIY service would be no problem on the 4. I have no reason to make the stuff up, I love the Giulia and Alfa brand.
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This is pretty common practice across marques. Porsche for example will always recover a faulty transmission or engine to the factory as a complete unit. Dealers are not allowed to break them open if under warranty. Same with BMW and transmissions at least. I’ve had both happen on my cars. No drama. You get a new one.

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My apologies to the OP. I should not have called you out. I believe you are telling the truth now.

Multiple board posts with cut and paste can raise suspicion...
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My apologies to the OP. I should not have called you out. I believe you are telling the truth now.

Multiple board posts with cut and paste can raise suspicion...
No problem, I often think negative post are fake. They usually really go after the car in a personal way. I am a BIG fan of the Alfa Romeo. I put my hand on that beautiful cross many times in my 164 steering wheel years ago and absolutely love that emblem.
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Maybe had the title of first post been something like "Giulia V6 engine misfire issue and Alfa replaces engine." would have been a better lead into the heart of the matter - just saying!

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I'm pretty sure Alfa would do more diagnosis than "misfire" before authorizing an engine replacement. For starters the ECU download would inform the factory of a great deal. Then, if there is any mechanical symptom they usually sample the engine oil, taking apart the oil filter if deemed advisable.

Modern engines just do not misfire unless there is a very serious failure. The ECU will be able to diagnose any electrical fault such as a failed spark plug. The main issue would be the cost of repair if done outside a factory environment. At the factory the engine can be salvaged and rebuilt as new after the cause of the failure is known. Power outputs on these engines are higher than on racing engines of a few decades ago. Lots can go wrong during manufacture of the various component parts and defects are rare but usually catastrophic.

Finally, a new factory unit makes perfect sense as it ensures the warranty and emission performance will be as new.

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Misfire is a ridiculous excuse for a new engine, but if it's under warranty... Who cares?

It's also common to get a whole engine instead of diagnosing every possible scenario if the issue is that major. It's faster.
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I dont believe this guy one bit - which dealer? Location? Pictures? too vague..and too direct on the diagnosis, he talked to techs? Where? They let him in the service department and the tech told him the 4cyl is a DIY? I call this total BS - sorry.

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This is pretty common practice across marques. Porsche for example will always recover a faulty transmission or engine to the factory as a complete unit. Dealers are not allowed to break them open if under warranty. Same with BMW and transmissions at least. I’ve had both happen on my cars. No drama. You get a new one.

Yeah I want to second that. Very common practice.

Dealership warranty repair is starting to go to the aviation model. Tech''s don't break down big assemblies in the field. The defective engine, transmission or whatever is removed and shipped back to the factory and a new one is taken out of the shrink-wrap and installed.

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This is pretty common practice across marques. Porsche for example will always recover a faulty transmission or engine to the factory as a complete unit. Dealers are not allowed to break them open if under warranty. Same with BMW and transmissions at least. Iíve had both happen on my cars. No drama. You get a new one.
Only problem will be when you turn up to an Alfa club concours competition in 50 years time, some smart arse will deduct points because it does not have it's original engine. And yes no matter how well, hard or emotionally you debate the issue that it was replaced by ALFA ROMEO under warranty they will still be jerks.

I've seen this sort of thing discussed on FerrariChat also when I used to frequent there, and of course in the Ferrari world the engine number is as important as the chassis number.
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It's news... why does it have to be vouched for and proven? If it has personal interest, investigate further.. if not, don't trash the source but take it as an anecdote.
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