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post #16 of 22 (permalink) Old 11-22-2017, 07:05 AM
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But what if it's fake news?

Seriously, it would have been more useful if the OP had provided a bit more detail. Engines do not get replaced just because they misfire. To suggest otherwise is not useful. The cause of the misfire must have been terminal such as a failed valve or piston. To post that an Alfa needed a new engine under warranty is not news. If 1% of all Giulias delivered are getting new engines now that would be news. But one so far is just not.

Replacement of a complete engine or transmission or steering rack etc etc under warranty is no more suggestive of a major manufacturing flaw these days than would be replacing a door handle that breaks. Engines are largely assembled by robots and they do not make assembly errors. They cannot assemble an engine incorrectly. Engine failure will result from a part failure. Pistons are a prime candidate because they fit so tightly into the bores on modern engines the slightest defect in the low friction coating on the piston will cause the engine to fail. Fortunately, piston manufacture is also largely automated and so it goes. Modern cars tend not to break.

Modern drivetrains must meet incredibly demanding specifications or the car cannot legally be driven in most countries that matter to Alfa. If an engine cannot be made to operate correctly it must be replaced. It is rare these days that an engine will develop any fault at all. When these engines do not work correctly a new engine is usually required. The old one is shrink wrapped and shipped back to the factory that assembled it for diagnosis and correction of the process that caused the faiiure.

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He said this was the second one with the issue and the cost for the engine is over $25,000.
Chris, it is possible you are on to an emerging issue that will yet show up as a real significant trend and hit the mainstream automotive news... but until then we aren't wrong if we remain skeptical as to the importance to Alfa of the two V6 engine replacements you report.

A Google search does not reveal any other discussion about the Giulia Q getting engines replaced. The top two results are your, the OP, post here and on GiuliaForums... Edmunds Rating and Customer reviews don't mention anything... a search on Jalopnik, and PistonHeads don't mention any failure issues other than unintended shutdowns.

On the GiuliaForums.com website the thread with TOP 5 COMPLAINTS contains issues encountered by first person responders. None mention engine failures. Only one second hand responder mentions an engine grenading.. a 4C.. Here is the text:

"One person got a bad engine that failed catastrophically (oil in the coolant, is this the engine overheating fault you are referencing?). Stuff like this happens from time to time with all brands and only Alfa really knows if such things are happening too frequently. His dealer got a replacement engine within about 2 weeks (unexpectedly quickly). Hopefully they will do a good job of the not-so-simple installation. He got a warning sign of relatively quickly dropping oil levels, which his dealer discounted (not good). At least it is not a QV, did you see the pictures posted today of the shear number of connections to that engine? Everything about that engine appears to be complicated just to make it complicated. Ford diesel pick up trucks that are not maintained properly are famous for a failure of this type (long story)."

..otherwise no mention of engines replaced.
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Call him an alarmist.. that doesn't make him a criminal.
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Due diligence..

I did another search under "2017 Alfa Giulia misfire"....

That yielded a lot more discussion on AlfaOwner.com and GiuliaForums.com

..seems the 4C engine has a cold-condition misfire. This has some discussion of engine replacement, but I didn't see any owners having it done to date. .. and no mention yet of the 6C with this issue.

Just sayin'
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I worked at a Mitsubishi dealer on the Eclipse/Talon cars for a couple years. We had a couple that was really unusual problems that needed to be resolved under warranty. One car came back after a week with a drip of antifreeze on the floor. It was determined after a couple days tracing it down, that the block was a bad casting. There was a pinhole in the block just below where the head and block came together. New engine from Mitsubishi.
The other one was an electrical fault because of no head lights. This took our top mechanic a couple of days to diagnose. It was a break in a wire of the main wiring loom. Warranty for a new wiring harness resolved that one.
New cars are not perfect as they do come with faults albeit unusual.

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Only problem will be when you turn up to an Alfa club concours competition in 50 years time, some smart arse will deduct points because it does not have it's original engine. And yes no matter how well, hard or emotionally you debate the issue that it was replaced by ALFA ROMEO under warranty they will still be jerks.

I've seen this sort of thing discussed on FerrariChat also when I used to frequent there, and of course in the Ferrari world the engine number is as important as the chassis number.
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Unless I'm dead I'll be driving my GTV and hopefully 156 v6 still, but yes time will tell.

I bet owners of 8c2900b's didn't think the cars would be still around nearly 80 years later too.
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156 Series 1 v6 ... and remember it's all just opinions
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