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post #61 of 73 (permalink) Old 08-04-2018, 01:42 PM
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"But sometimes they both are the right tool at the right time for the right reason"

Lots of professional disagreement about that, and time will tell, but so far... very questionable. Besides, lol, money isn't everything, there are other tangible considerations to the entire picture of the present administration.

I do agree with the rest of your comments. Esp about FCA deciding to not include the manual in the Giulia. Lost us, alas. We could have been talked into one by now, otherwise.

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Heck I agree with Michael again.

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I've only had my 2018 TI for two months and 900 miles. I love the car; have had one battery-related issue that was resolved by charging the battery. BUT this isn't the car I wanted. In February I special ordered a TI without sunroof. The car was built in early April and my dealer provided a build sheet with the VIN number. I was told the car would arrive in 6-8 weeks. On June 14 I stopped at the dealer to see about any updates. The sales manager told me that my car was "in storage". So I asked what that meant and was told he didn't know and his AR area rep supposedly didn't know and couldn't get any further info from Alfa. The rep suggested that I reorder the car and wait again. Since I had a leased car to return I decided just to pick one from stock, all of which had the overpriced sunroof. Rather than purchase I decided to lease for 24 months because I didn't have a warm and fuzzy feeling about Alfa. How do you lose a $48000K car? If anything kills Alfa in the US it will be their ineptitude and poor customer service. BTW the April car still hasn't arrived.

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These guys could sure take lessons from Toyota, Lexis, Honda, well, any number of more professional dealers our friends and relatives have dealt with. It's no wonder these dealers far outsell FCA. FCA is much more into money from sales, and not professional service.

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62 Morris MiniMinor 850, 67 Austin 1275 Cooper S (Downton 3/4 race), 64 Giulia Sprint GT (1st red one made), 72 Fiat 128 Sedan, 75 Alfetta Sedan, 78 Alfetta Sedan, 78 GTV, 81 GTV6, 86 GTV6
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I don't know what all the fuss is about. All these issues coming up here are the same as all the issues we had last time Alfa Romeo was available in the USA. I would have bought one knowing and expecting all the shortcomings, except for the lack of a manual transmission. This I can not ever forgive.
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I could have bought that 159 Sport Wagon I test drove in Oslo Norway a few years ago. Alas, no way. Still kind of pissed.

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62 Morris MiniMinor 850, 67 Austin 1275 Cooper S (Downton 3/4 race), 64 Giulia Sprint GT (1st red one made), 72 Fiat 128 Sedan, 75 Alfetta Sedan, 78 Alfetta Sedan, 78 GTV, 81 GTV6, 86 GTV6
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I still wonder what happened with the Giulia Quad and it's supposed problems as posted by pistonclub. What has been the outcome?

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62 Morris MiniMinor 850, 67 Austin 1275 Cooper S (Downton 3/4 race), 64 Giulia Sprint GT (1st red one made), 72 Fiat 128 Sedan, 75 Alfetta Sedan, 78 Alfetta Sedan, 78 GTV, 81 GTV6, 86 GTV6
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Dealership is now in new hands, so hopefully more competent mechanics. I will be taking my car there for service, so I certainly hope so. As many have noted, the suspension geometry on the QV causes tire scrubbing in tight turns. From the description, it looks like an incompetent mechanic at the dealership took a perfectly good car apart and could not get it back together.

If so, it is the dealership and not Alfa's problem. That argument might account for the lengthy delay.

Unfortunately, the manufacturers do not have much control over dealerships in California (and in many other states). Manufacturer's complaints are referred to a commission, the majority of the members of which are dealers. An acquaintance of mine used to make a good living suing dealers for GM over these sort of issues. Getting rid of those guys was one of the few benefits of the bankruptcy in 2008.

In any case, the lemon laws are strong here in California, and I am sure he got his money back. I have experience in that area with a Range Rover Sport that spent all but 20 days in the shop during the first 4 months of ownership.
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And of course there is the famous Porsche IMS bearing problem that went to a class action lawsuit. It effected the 996 and 997.1 models. Not all or even many...but enough to make an after market fix the sop for anyone seriously considering one. However they are great fun to drive. But everyone makes mistakes...at every step in the chain of manufacturing and ownership. I'm still very happy with my 2017 TI Lusso.
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I agree with johnalfa , but its not just the U.S trust me , I don't think FCA could run a bath let alone a car company , I have a case going through the U.K motor ombudsman who investigate buyers problems for them, I asked Alfa customer service why I could not have what I was entitled to ,they said "Don't know" .it does take the edge off of buying a new car. I really hope they can get their act together as I don't want to see the end of Alfa. Chris
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Apologies for not updating the story of my missing special ordered TI. To recap the car was ordered in February 2018 and built in April. As of mid-June the only info my dealer could get was that it was "in storage". So I bought a similar car from stock. Well the original car turned up at the dealer in mid-December. It arrived with a large URGENTE sticker plastered on the driver side windshield. The car also had a small sticker on the driver's window explaining that it had been selected for extra evaluation or something similar. So in the end everything worked out, except I didn't get the non-sunroof car I wanted. Just glad I didn't keep waiting and miss out on 6 months of great driving. It's a shame that Alfa's logistics can't match the quality of the car!

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Previously Owned: 76 Alfetta GT, 81 Spider, 88 Milano, 89 Spider, 94 164LS (totaled 3/20/19)
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