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Sketchl 06-01-2017 02:51 PM

Want manual Giulia....
 
I recently test drove the various Giulia models and have to confirm that the new Alfa is awesome, both in performance and style. Congratulations FCA on a job well done. My only reservation (major frustration) is that the Giulia doesn't come in a manual......unfortunately an 8 speed paddle shift is just a modified automatic and selecting through the 8 gears is not engaging in the slightest in normal street driving and I can just imagine how great this Giulia could be in a manual for the 'drivers' out there.

I wanted to start this thread to try and gain some feedback from the AlfaBB forum on how many buyers would rather purchase a manual Giulia over the current standard auto.

I'm holding off placing my order on a beautiful Rosso Giulia Veloce in the hope that Alfa see the light and introduce a manual version.


Just reply to this thread with with a '👍' so that FCA can gauge the support for MANUAL version of the standard models.



PS. Note that I fully appreciate Alfisti who love their auto's but there's no need for your input on this thread. Grazie

Racer Z 06-01-2017 11:47 PM

AR dropped the manual transmission at the last minute. They actually got it registered for import into the USA, but alas, changed their minds. Speculation has two ideas on this:

1) It doesn't perform well.
2) The clutch pedal failed during crash test cutting off feet.

I certainly don't want to drive a car with a unfavorable transmission. And I do like my feet right where they are,attached to my legs.


Did you drive a Ti Q2? It has a limited slip and in Dynamic Manual mode the torque converter tightens up nicely.

Sketchl 06-02-2017 02:31 AM

Ciao RacerZ,

Note that I've been driving a manual AR159 for the last ten years which would have to be one of the worst manual gearbox's I've driven, but I still prefer it to over an auto and have had to just adapted to its anomalies, as we all do living with Alfa's.

I agree that on a race track a manual gearbox doesn't perform as well as a paddle shift auto, but we're talking about a road driving Alfa and 0.5 of a second really doesn't mean anything. Allowing the driver to co-ordinate the changing of the gears with the engagement of the clutch is part of driving satisfaction...... plus I like to do my own heel-toeing!

As for the safety aspect, the speculation is absurd.

Yes, I drove an awesome Ti Q2 in full dynamic mode and could only imagine what it would be like as a manual.

Here's hoping.....

Saluti
Sergio

Gepetto 06-02-2017 07:55 AM

If a manual Giulia (or, as it were, the rumored Giulia Sprint that's coming) were offered I'd trade in my 1 year old GTI for it. Granted, in europe the 4 cylinder gas engines are automatic only, so it'd have to be a diesel or the Quadrifoglio.

The GTI gearbox is great, and really makes driving around - even in NYC - fun. My GTV-6, like all transaxle car, has an appalling gearbox in comparison (save for the clutch, which has decent feel). I still love it, and I can't imagine the transmission in the manual version of the Giulia QV is as bad as my GTV6.

Max Pershyn 06-02-2017 08:18 AM

1-5 gears of Giulia ZF 8 speed auto are very short. The gear ratio should satisfy any active driver. 5 gears that work only in 0-150 km/h range. So, stop crying, just try to understand that Giulia was built by former racing Maserati engineers, who know what active driver needs.
Just try to compare BMW 3 series and Giulia gear ratios, you'll understand the different philosophy of design. One car was built for mediocre drivers, another one for Alfisti

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Gepetto 06-02-2017 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Max Pershyn (Post 7647889)
1-5 gears of Giulia ZF 8 speed auto are very short. The gear ratio should satisfy any active driver. 5 gears that work only in 0-150 km/h range. So, stop crying, just try to understand that Giulia was built by former racing Maserati engineers, who know what active driver needs.
Just try to compare BMW 3 series and Giulia gear ratios, you'll understand the different philosophy of design. One car was built for mediocre drivers, another one for Alfisti

Understood, but it's not a knock on the car. I'm sure it's excellent with the automatic. It's just that there's still some of us who simply enjoy the experience of a manual transmission and want to buy cars that offer us that.

Max Pershyn 06-02-2017 08:23 AM

EU manual Giulias are low powered diesel versions only (except QV). No chance at all to get 2.0 Turbo with gear stick

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Gepetto 06-02-2017 08:37 AM

Next time I go to Italy (maybe later this year), I may try to rent a diesel Giulia with manual just to see how it is.

Sketchl 06-02-2017 02:09 PM

Ciao Max, I'm sure you'll be the first one to buy a 'driverless' Alfa when it comes out in the future. Bravo

PSk 06-02-2017 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sketchl (Post 7647545)
... I've been driving a manual AR159 for the last ten years which would have to be one of the worst manual gearbox's I've driven ...

Interesting. Who made that gearbox, GM? I've got a 156v6 6 speed manual and the gearbox is just beautiful! I go up and down the gearbox for no reason other than mere fun :) ... I also blip unnecessarily on down changes :D
Pete

Sketchl 06-02-2017 02:40 PM

Ciao Pete, I had two 156's and agree that both engine and gearbox were great.

159 gearbox made by Aisin in Japan!! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/AWTF-80_SC

Max Pershyn 06-02-2017 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Sketchl (Post 7648497)
Ciao Pete, I had two 156's and agree that both engine and gearbox were great.

159 gearbox made by Aisin in Japan!! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/AWTF-80_SC

Automatic by Aisin. Manual, M40, were taken from Opel Vectra. Engines of 159 were GM units with Alfa Romeo-FIAT heads.

156 had cast iron FIAT engine block with Alfa head. Manual gearboxes were FIAT and Q-system supplied by Aisin.

Max Pershyn 06-02-2017 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sketchl (Post 7648449)
Ciao Max, I'm sure you'll be the first one to buy a 'driverless' Alfa when it comes out in the future. Bravo

Ciao :) May be I will buy it :)

P.S. My current daily drive has 6-speed C635 manual gearbox and 1.4 turbo multiair :wink2:

Sketchl 06-02-2017 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Max Pershyn (Post 7648521)
Automatic by Aisin. Manual, M40, were taken from Opel Vectra.

Ha, that explains it. Thanks for the clarification Max.


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Originally Posted by Max Pershyn (Post 7648537)
P.S. My current daily drive has 6-speed C635 manual gearbox

Now I know why you want an auto! It's because you shread too many tyres...:wink2:

Sketchl 06-02-2017 05:09 PM

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