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Exactly........ I’ve experience the new Giulia several times and unfortunately the auto doesn’t do it me! Should I compromise, NO.

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I think it was Henry Manney III who described the gtv6 shifter like stirring a broomstick in a bathtub of coal. Unkind but the rod linkeage back to the transaxle was a tad dire. Mind you, remote shifter mechanisms have always presented challenges to engineers.

As soon as you start touting rev matching and flat shifting electronic aids to manual shift I say you are out of the cult and now in search of an even more esoteric connection with your car.

It still boils down to that foot pedal. Even the stick to select ratios is still used for most automatics in manual mode. Silly really. Like using a bell rope to toll church bells when a computer controlled carillon works so much better.

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Exactly why arguing this until the end of the time is a useless exercise. à plus tard!


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I think it was Henry Manney III who described the gtv6 shifter like stirring a broomstick in a bathtub of coal. Unkind but the rod linkeage back to the transaxle was a tad dire. Mind you, remote shifter mechanisms have always presented challenges to engineers.

As soon as you start touting rev matching and flat shifting electronic aids to manual shift I say you are out of the cult and now in search of an even more esoteric connection with your car.
Agree with both of these points ... one of the reasons I don't own a GTV6.

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It still boils down to that foot pedal. Even the stick to select ratios is still used for most automatics in manual mode. Silly really. Like using a bell rope to toll church bells when a computer controlled carillon works so much better.
You are also forgetting the fun we have moving the gear lever itself.

The other thing I find fascinating, is you keep mentioning performance, i.e. shift speed. Can I remind you that we are discussing a ROAD car and an Alfa Romeo. Alfa Romeos, even this 505hp car, have never been/are never the fastest cars on the road. NOBODY buys an Alfa Romeo* to own the fastest car on the road, they buy it because it is the MOST INVOLVING for a driver to drive.

Now the problem is, Alfa Romeo have diluted that involvement equation, because new Alfas don't have a gear lever to play with. Note I said "play", and I mean that. It has nothing to do with performance, but we like being able to play. Nobody even classic races an Alfa Romeo to be the fastest, but simply because they want to race an Alfa Romeo.
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IMHO there is no bigger dork on this planet than a driver that races his/her car on the street. Only slightly less of a dork is the person who buys a road car because it is supposedly the fastest road car/motorcycle.
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I owned a gtv6 from the 80's. I can imagine how good it would have been with the DCT from the 4C, dry clutches and so on.

As for the "stick shift" appeal I wonder why, if the actuation is so important, that short shift kits are so popular and why sequential gearboxes are often fitted to the most extreme versions of "manual shift" cars. The stick shift automatic has the shortest most direct throw of any shifter. Of course paddles make far more sense, leaving macro level gear selection to a row of buttons (a la Chrysler/DeSoto from the late fifties or an Aston Martin Lagonda from the 70's or a Ferrari 355 etc etc) or the nifty rotary selector favoured by and introduced by Jaguar, followed by FCA.

The reference to power, performance and safety in road cars I suggest an automatic is far safer to drive on public roads than a manual shift and makes the more powerful cars now available safer to drive in public.

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I seriously doubt whether any of the folks slamming the Giulia for its automatic transmission have ever driven one.


Best automatic I've ever driven. Still prefer a manual. Day 902 of me not buying a Giulia because there is no manual option.
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: Day 902 of me not buying a Giulia because there is no manual option.
That must be hard for you. Here is another pic of my Giulia. Maybe that will cheer you up!
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: Day 902 of me not buying a Giulia because there is no manual option.
That must be hard for you. Here is another pic of my Giulia. Maybe that will cheer you up!
What cheers me up banging through the gears on my manual WRX STI. A Giulia would have been nice if they had brought one with 3 pedals.

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I challenge anyone to prove I'm wasting keystrokes trying to illustrate the advantages of an automatic Giulia as compared to no Giulia at all.
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That must be hard for you.
Quite easy actually. What would be hard is spending money on something that is counter to my preferences.

I'm glad you like your automatic Giulia. If Alfa ever changes their mind and offers a manual for sale here, I'll go buy one. It doesn't hurt to remind them they are missing out on some sales.
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It really is a stunningly good looking car. The fact that it drives so well is a bonus.

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What would be hard is spending money on something that is counter to my preferences.
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I'm just chiming in again... its been since July 2017, post #106... and you guys are still at it... auto vs. manual!! Both sides have their pluses and minus, and if it is a continued debate amongst the Alfa cognoscenti, then FCA/Alfa Romeo definitely got it wrong by not offering the manual here stateside for the Giulia. I've heard great things about the ZF 8speed... and not just for the Alfa implementation, but other high end brands (to include Aston Martin). Hell, the GM A8 offered in the Caddies (and other GM products) is crap in comparison, and has a class action lawsuit due to some rough shifting/vibrations in certain scenarios. It also shifts slower than the ZF.

But I'm still slap-happy with my Tremec TR6060 6sp manual with 'no-lift' shift and auto rev matching in my '16 ATS-V (does better matching revs than I can double clutching). Had the Giulia QV been offered with a manual tranny in the USA, it certainly would have given me greater pause/harder decision before I upgraded to the ATS-V from my 2013 2L Turbo ATS (the 2L bought well before Alfa landed back on our shores in Fall 2016 with the Giulia QV). My '16 ATS-V was purchased in the Spring of 2017 as a Certified Pre-Owned vehicle with 5200 miles on the odo.

Hopefully everyone finds automotive nirvana concerning this issue. As many have said, the modern manual is on its death bed...fewer and fewer being offered across all the manufacturers. (That said, I believe the top 3 spots of fastest 1/4 mile times for the ATS-V are held by manual equipped ATS-Vs in the Caddy community, so go figure...). Before you know it, everything will be EV and we'll look back at our IC engined cars with deep longing and regret, never mind what kind of transmission it had...
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Hope everyone finds automotive nirvana concerning this issue. As many have said, the modern manual is on its death bed...fewer and fewer being offered across all the manufacturers. Before you know it, everything will be EV and we'll look back at our IC engined cars with deep longing and loss, never mind what kind of transmission it had...
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As the rest of the industry slowly shies away from cars fitted with manual transmissions, Porsche has made a handful of about-turns on the matter. The latest word, coming from no less than Porsche North America CEO Klaus Zemmler, is that the German automaker will be offering manual transmissions “as long as there are customers who demand” one.
https://www.topspeed.com/cars/car-ne...-ar182932.html

Alfa just won't listen to y'all


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