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post #826 of 883 (permalink) Old 04-22-2019, 05:52 PM
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On the track, rev matching makes quite a difference. You will experience driveline shock otherwise. I could never get a smooth transition from corner entry to apex until I learned to rev match and heel-toe.

The thing about shift speed- Sure, I canít shift in 200ms, but in the 200ms from when I hit a paddle to when the shift happens, Iím doing nothing. On the manual, I am doing something during the entirety of the shift, so there is no perception of lag between input and action.
Rev matching is not connected to double clutching. The former is important for traction control, the latter is an obsolete skill unless you have a broken gearbox.

In Sport mode manual selection there is no "indecision" the transmission software when paddle shifting a ZF automatic. The apparent delays when in D mode are due yo fuel economy artifacts in the programming. Fuel economy in S mode is markedly worse than the optimum achieved using D.

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When the driver knows how to change gear the synchros do not wear out. Double clutching either has no effect one way or the other or adds wear to the synchros.

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"When the driver knows how to change gear the synchros do not wear out"

You have that, in part, correct, as actually the synchros do wear just a little just from normal operation, but the wear is minimal, and unless really abused, should satisfactorily last the life of the car.

Some might think maybe you really desire a full automatically driving car as there is little difference between that and a car with a modern automatic transmission, lane control, emergency braking, etc, except a modicum of steering in and out of your driveway, lol.

Some would also call that pretty boring.

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"When the driver knows how to change gear the synchros do not wear out"

You have that, in part, correct, as actually the synchros do wear just a little just from normal operation, but the wear is minimal, and unless really abused, should satisfactorily last the life of the car.

Some might think maybe you really desire a full automatically driving car as there is little difference between that and a car with a modern automatic transmission, lane control, emergency braking, etc, except a modicum of steering in and out of your driveway, lol.

Some would also call that pretty boring.
Not at all. I promote the newest generation of automatics as an advance in driving enjoyment. Besides, I know that fully automated driving is beyond our capabilities and will remain so for at least my lifetime. As for EV the technology just has no future.

For me I appreciate and enjoy old fashioned cars, one of my friends restored a Lamborghini Islero, I even have the fleece jacket he commissioned to celebrate completion of the project. It is a captivating car, 5 spd, V12 naturally aspirated through 6 double throat stinky Weber carbs and with hand fabricated double a arm suspension all round and no power steering. For 1969 that is. The same friend owns the McLarens he lets me drive. But not the Lamborghini. So far anyway. And he accepts that I am a very skilled driver....

For each car there is a season and you either embrace that or not. A manual shift Giulia just handicaps the car for no good reason. Its 1965 namesake required a manual shift because the automatics of the era were just not adequate. In 2019, a manual Giulia is just a silly idea.

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For each car there is a season and you either embrace that or not.
Fair comment. And I have noticed that driver involvement, and therefore enjoyment quantity has reduced over those "seasons" to me.

But strangely I still enjoy driving, a little bit, my little automatic and very fuel efficient Toyota Vitz*. I think though the car would be an absolute riot if it was manual, i.e. like a FIAT Abarth and a huge amount of fun, and I would probably be silly in it and get things like speeding tickets
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"In 2019, a manual Giulia is just a silly idea".

Thank you.

In your eyes, maybe. Not so in some others who may not be so enamored with "new, just because it's new".

We fully understand the engineering reasons for many changes (some are just plain frivolous, or at least not really needed), but we don't have to buy them, thus far. Maybe the Government will someday fully mandate it, but not yet. Until then, we will continue to enjoy what we have, regardless of the "comments" of others.

Can't say anymore.

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But traffic is so bad in most metropolitan areas, an auto makes the most sense. For the manual, it's much nicer to have it in older cars like the Milano, 105 etc.
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But traffic is so bad in most metropolitan areas, an auto makes the most sense. For the manual, it's much nicer to have it in older cars like the Milano, 105 etc.
Take the bus or train.

It constantly amazes me how many people complain about traffic, and yet do nothing about it. Years ago, when living in Sydney, I was the same. I even went down the motorcycle route to resolve the problem, and then one day I got a flat tyre (I think) and could not solve this issue until the weekend so I reluctantly took the bus. By the end of the week I was a changed man. Motorcycle was sold, and bus was the work and back transport. I could dose on the bus, or whatever, saved money, was safer and no slower.

We all really have to give it a go. Not just for one day, but stick at it for a week or so and give it a proper go. We all love to whinge and moan about public transport, but it IS the best way for 90% of the population to get to work, even if it means multiple trains or buses are required ... and it will only get better if we actually use it (plus the more that use it the clearer the roads become so when you are forced to take a car for that rare day, you will enjoy it more. I could go on about environmental reasons, but won't ...)


To spend a considerable amount of your wages on a vehicle that has to suit traffic jams is surely close to insanity. A $200 second hand bomb, as long as reliable and has a radio and air conditioning, does that just as well!
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The advantage offered by modern automatics is they can be operated and perform just like a manual transmission but they also come with a fully automatic mode.

I am very much in favour of using public transit.

I'm even in favour of higher taxes to pay for much better public transit in my fair city.

In order to encourage those who really don't like driving but feel they have to because public transit is so bad....

To take the bus so I have more room on the road to drive my car.

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Take the bus or train.
...or work from home.

I don't find a manual transmission burdensome when I'm averaging 9mph on the days I crawl into the office. I've taken public transport and don't care for it. Much rather have my car with me so I can come and go as I please or run errands during lunch.

Again, this highlights why some people's preferences don't work for everyone. Day 898 of me not buying a Giulia because there is no manual option.
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Public transportation in other parts of the world may work, but it has proven to be undesirable for the most part in the USA. People like going NOW and 5 minutes from now, they do not like getting in line to depart at 9:04am, 10:04am etc. The US is much too spread out and vast for public transportation to ever succeed meaningfully.

And yes I agree to Higher Taxes, ALL those that use public transportation should have to pay higher taxes. Ty...

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The solution is simple, you need a new Giulia to drive every day and an old Alfa to drive on special days.
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Next model GTV6 is a 4WD hybrid and manual total 600Hp., but sorry, manual only for the LHD EU version.

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Next model GTV6 is a 4WD hybrid and manual total 600Hp., but sorry, manual only for the LHD EU version. <img src="http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Smilie" class="inlineimg" />

Skeptical about the manual part. A manual for the Giulia Quad was promised for the U.S. too originally.

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Totally down for that, Hybrid I do not have much interest in. If I want that route I will just do Tesla.

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