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I wouldn't class James May as a driver, he's just another bloody entertainer with an opinion...... How you can compare vintage manual ignition spark and fuel mixture with manual transmissions, it's ludicrous!! Maybe if you compare automatic braking or acceleration we might be on a level playing field.

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......Maybe we should tell James May that manual hand controls in his plane will become obsolete and see what he says!!!

PS. His plane rego suits him
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Using your fingertips to move a lever that is effectively an electric switch to change gear is more “pure” than using your hand/arm to move a lever that actually changes gear??? That’s among the more ridiculous arguments he’s made, and there have been a few. There are reasons why manual spark control wasn’t/isn’t missed, and why the manual gearbox is and will continue to be missed.
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Obviously getting paid, etc. to say what the manufacturers want to hear.

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Not NUTZ just FACTZ.....

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Not NUTZ just FACTZ.....

Nutz....Because I put the wrong utube link in

BTW...Both my cars are 6 speed manuals...wouldn't have it any other way
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My current daily driver is a BMW 335i with a 6-speed manual. If the manual Giulia that is available in other markets were available here, I would definitely trade in my 335 for a Giulia. If anyone from FCA is listening, this is a real world example of how you can take some more market share from BMW
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Coefficient of drag isn't very informative although modern car makers love using it if their model has a low number. But then those marketing guys also keep rattling on about their marque's DNA which is ridiculous.

It is a reality that building an aerodynamically efficient car to fit a certain payload results in a car that looks quite similar in shape to any other car meeting similar drag numbers. Fact of physics. Modern car styling meets this challenge with very clever design work. If the difference isn't clear to you then don't waste your money. The new Giulia is a much more stylish car than any current BMW or Mercedes. Only Jaguar can match it. I've pointed this out before, current Italian designs are quite similar to current Jaguar designs. The new Lamborghini SUV looks just like a Jaguar SUV, for example.

As for drag coefficient, the current Porsche Cayman is around 0.31 but has a very small frontal area for its size. Just for instance. The original SAAB 92 had a very low drag coefficient of 0.29 or something like that. It needed to. I know which I'd prefer to drive.

It is more difficult to build a narrower car with a lower drag coefficient. Period.

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I think less than 1500 manual Giulia QF were produced. I have one of them, and happily with what I consider an ideal spec: CCB, Sparcos and Vesuvio Grigio.

I deliberately sought out a manual, coming from a long line of BMW M with DCT gearbox, or X5 with ZF8 speed, for the visceral aspects of changing gear myself. No doubt the ZF8 is a faster and more economic gearbox, but I will happily give up a little bit of performance and economy for not being bored. The last few cars only lasted 6 months, hopefully the QF is here for the long run.
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Rassi,

You have a modern classic. Lucky man ... one day you will have a queue of potential owners knocking on your door
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Production statistics of Giulia with manual gearbox (QV + Diesel)
2016 - 7400
2017 - 2400
2018 - 1600

Giulia QV
2016 - more than 600
2017 (this year automatic version was introduced) - less than 150

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Ciao Max, I personally couldn’t care about the numbers as humans are inherently going to opt for the easy auto option.

I’ve been drawn to the new Giulia now there’s a few more on the road so took a Veloce Q2 out for a test drive to get over my auto phobia and try and enjoy the car as it comes. Unfortunately, I’m not prepared to sacrifice the third pedal yet as the experience was just frustrating. To be honest the exhaust would be the first thing I’d change as when in paddle shift mode you can’t hear the engine note plus not being able to switch off the driving aids was infuriating. A real shame as I love the look of the new Giulia.

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Ciao Max, I personally couldn’t care about the numbers as humans are inherently going to opt for the easy auto option.

I’ve been drawn to the new Giulia now there’s a few more on the road so took a Veloce Q2 out for a test drive to get over my auto phobia and try and enjoy the car as it comes. Unfortunately, I’m not prepared to sacrifice the third pedal yet as the experience was just frustrating. To be honest the exhaust would be the first thing I’d change as when in paddle shift mode you can’t hear the engine note plus not being able to switch off the driving aids was infuriating. A real shame as I love the look of the new Giulia.
To increase your frustration I can tell you that the engine note comes through central dynamic. Turbocharged cars are very quite because the turbocharger itself mutes almost all exhaust sounds
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