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post #601 of 884 (permalink) Old 08-31-2018, 09:25 AM
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"Manual gearbox is a symbol of sports car in North America only. In Europe/Asia it is a symbol of old outdated technology, symbol of poor people or slow diesel cars"

Well, the owners in OZ seem to be enthusiastic about their Alfas, same for some I've met in other countries.

However, I guess we live in the past. We're done, toss us out with the buggy whips and the rest of the trash, hah. Michael is correct in stating that we who would like a manual transmission do not live in the new bright and shiny world of everything electronic and effortless unskilled driving (point it and squirt, lol).

I'm just sitting here in my recliner chair, listening to the golden oldies (actually, really, although I do like most music in general) on Comcast after watching the celebration of John McCain's life of ethics and honor (as compared to he who must not be mentioned), and of course Queen Aretha, reminiscing about the past, relatives and good friends dying right and left lately.

I'll probably take the 91S out for a drive later (since I changed the 91S tranny lube yesterday to Redline 75W90 NS from ATF just for the heck of it to see if there is any difference in sound and shifting), kiss the wife, work on my koi pond, go for a short swim, try to prepare a new Italian menu to cook for tonight, and end up thinking that life can be good after all.

Screw automatic transmissions.
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watching the celebration of John McCain's life of ethics and honor (as compared to he who must not be mentioned),
Keating Five ring any bells?


At any rate, I'm sure that even if the Giulia had a manual, some of you would find some other reason not to like it. Maybe it's the rotors taking a crap after 2 laps on a track, or the irritation of the auto-stop function, or the lack of a trunk pass-through, or the non-color logo on the steering wheel, or the factory tires that wear out after three trips to the store and it doesn't handle *quite* as amazing as it did once you mount aftermarket tires.

Or whatever.

I don't think FCA really cares about that handful of naysayers. Nor should they. Alfa has sold over 14,000 cars (as of the end of July) this year, on track for 24-26k. The best year prior to that was a little over 8,000 cars, in 1986.

Best guess for US revenue this year will be somewhere around $1 billion. With a B.


My Q has 7k miles on it now, and I love it more every day. I use manual mode, so it is always in the exact gear I want it to be in--unless I'm stuck in traffic, when I can put it in normal mode and flip on the adaptive cruise control, and just sit back and relax while the car inches along for me. If a business call comes in, I can press a button on the center console and not worry about trying to fiddle with shifting and a phone in hand. I can stream 80's rock off Tidal, and put it in race mode and blast up an on-ramp right behind a very shocked McLaren. I can swing the back end around a corner like a Top Gear reviewer, and then I can shut the volume down while I pull into my neighborhood. It's a modern car for modern life.

With luck, we'll see a hybrid-drive GTV in a few years, and another eye-popping 8C soon after. It's a great time to be an Alfisti, as they are making some amazing cars right now. We forgave our old Alfas for being leaky rattle-traps, because they were fun. If you can't have fun driving a new Q, adding a manual isn't going to change that---you just don't like modern cars.

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McCain was cleared of impropriety. Was criticized by some for poor judgment but nothing illegal, immoral, racist, sexist, or unethical as compared to...

"At any rate, I'm sure that even if the Giulia had a manual, some of you would find some other reason not to like it". Kind of a bogus statement.

Everybody is different with different wants. I reckon I could have fun in a QV if I wanted to spend that kind of money, lol. We find that today we indeed do not like many modern cars. Way too much money for too much stuff not needed or wanted when driving. Read the latest issue of CR for their comments on being required to spend more on upgrades than they are worth.

Nuff said. Think what you want. Glad you enjoy your QV.

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It's interesting that the people who want a manual don't say everyone should have one, whereas many of those who want the auto insist that it's what everyone should want...

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It's sort of like someone who finds "religion". Suddenly, everyone they know must put up with being pressured into accepting the same.

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To be clear: I don't care what kind of transmission you have in your car.


But as an enthusiast group, especially of a once-orphaned brand, I feel we should be inclusive rather than exclusive.

Saying things like "The brand has already died for "pure" Alfisti", or claiming that some people are "brainwashed" into liking the new Alfas, is not only not inclusive but demeaning to some of the newer members who have started to appreciate the brand.

You may not want a new Alfa---fine. But telling people who buy one, *on an enthusiast website,* that they are stupid and not real Alfisti, is not very welcoming. We should all be happy there are new Alfas, and not poo-pooing the people who buy them, as they are the future of the brand and will help ignite enthusiasm for the older models as well, increasing parts availability and enlarging the community of Alfisti.

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I for one am enthusiastic about Alfa coming back, as it has been a very long wait. I've been enthusiastic about the brand since the mid 60's, owning nothing but. Really, have been there, done that. For sure! We are just the old enthusiasts.

FCA has not included the older Alfa enthusiast/owners very much at all, instead of celebrating their return with them. I welcome the new owners of the new style/philosophy Alfas, but personally I do feel a little left out. And, the new dealers do not carry any parts, nor provide service, for the older Alfas, as far as I know. It IS a different brand in many ways.

One comment is that, for one, the car is not in some respects what I hoped for. My other comment is that some seem to think that we should absolutely buy solely what they offer because it is the new wave, or if nothing else, in order to support their return. Well, maybe. Doesn't mean I wouldn't buy one later on. Might, one never knows.

And as for " But telling people who buy one, *on an enthusiast website,* that they are stupid and not real Alfisti", who said that? Almost seems like the other way around sometimes, lol, as get with the new times.

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No problem, your comparison sounded reasonable throughout. However, if I had to pick on something, above and beyond the essential better sounds of the 91S, definitely not wanting something which sounds more like a Kia, I would choose the following:

"Giulia is drop dead gorgeous and will remain so forever"

Nah, wrong answer for many (yes, I know it is a personal thing). An old longtime Alfa friend of mine, upon seeing the car for the first time said, woof, one kind of nothing looking car, with no Italian styling. And when we saw our first on the highway as we were passing it, I couldn't tell what it was until I saw the front end of course. Thought at first it might have been a big Nissan or something. Did like the dark blue color, though. Even now, when we see one (rare around Seattle yet) we still can't tell what it is at first, except for the grill. Well, the wheel are a hint.
"And when we saw our first on the highway as we were passing it, I couldn't tell what it was until I saw the front end of course. Thought at first it might have been a big Nissan or something."

"A big Nissan"? Strikes me as cognitive dissonance. I have people come up to me all the time asking about the car, or just wanting to tell me how fantastic it looks. Real car people too. First pic is from this last Saturday's cars and coffee. I parked at the edge, next to the Cayman S. At one point there was a crowd of eight people around my car, studying it, taking pictures, oblivious to the Porsche. I get the "Is this the Bi-Turbo!?" or "Is this the Nurburgring car?!" When I tell them it's merely the 2 liter, they remark how aggressive it still looks, what presence it has. The second pic is my car parked next to a co-workers 3-series. We paid similar money for our respective cars, and even he admits there's no comparison between the two. A big Nissan? Please.
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Well, we know what they look like, and we still didn't recognize it when we came upon it. It was just another car on the road. We passed it pretty quickly and didn't see the trunk emblem. That has happened to us about three times now, until we look for the emblem.

I mean, you have to admit that there is little of distinction to the rear end design. Many other cars look similar. It's the front which is very distinctive and identifiable, as same for BMWs, Audis, and even Toyotas with their truly ugly front end. That's the entire point of distinctive front end designs, to make them immediately identifiable.

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Well, we know what they look like, and we still didn't recognize it when we came upon it. It was just another car on the road. We passed it pretty quickly and didn't see the trunk emblem. That has happened to us about three times now, until we look for the emblem.

I mean, you have to admit that there is little of distinction to the rear end design. Many other cars look similar. It's the front which is very distinctive and identifiable, as same for BMWs, Audis, and even Toyotas with their truly ugly front end. That's the entire point of distinctive front end designs, to make them immediately identifiable.
Try to distinguish Alfetta QO and BMW 5 series Or ARNA and Nissan Cherry

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One of the many cars the Giulia resembles
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You should really share what you are smoking with the rest of the class.

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Humorous. It's Alfa oil smoke, of course. Does look similar from the rear, though.

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We’ve clearly gone off-topic, but... I think the Giulia looks really great. I’ve only had mine a month, but I’ve been truly surprised by the amount of attention it gets. It’s obviously very distinctive from the front, but when I’ve approached another one from behind, I’ve known what it was, from a considerable distance, right away.

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^^ My experience as well. There's a subtlety to the Giulia's lines missing in other ostensibly similar cars. The Giulia manages to look both aggressive and elegant while resisting the industry trend towards unnecessary creases and vents. I'm not a BMW hater (not at all) but new BMW's are ghastly IMO. The most appealing new sedan that isn't the Giulia to me is the Genesis G70, and even that doesn't look like it's in the same league as the Giulia. Of course the Audis look good, as they always have, but I don't go for that particularly Teutonic form of restraint. Handsome just not stirring. Anyway, back to the topic. Whereas most people in and out of the automotive press are fairly taken with the Giulia's design, not everyone is. Not surprising (I just have to push back at Nissan comparisons...and the Acura? Far more resembles a Camry).

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