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post #46 of 884 (permalink) Old 06-03-2017, 10:12 PM
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I have only driven manual transmission Alfa Romeo cars since 1968. I would like to buy a manual Giulia QV Coupe in the US but, I believe that all Alfa Romeo cars that are sent to the US will have paddle type transmissions. I also believe that gasoline powered cars will gradually disappear and will be replaced by electric or fuel cell powered cars. I like my gasoline powered cars and will drive them as long as possible.
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Just wait until autonomous cars are forced upon us ...

I will be saying get ****ed and sticking with my 2001 156v6 and 1971 GTV.
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post #48 of 884 (permalink) Old 06-04-2017, 11:05 AM
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WOW! Popular argument, err, I mean thread. Almost 50 posts in just one day. I'd like to comment on almost every single post, but I won't.

To get back to the OP for a second, I to would like to see a Giulia with a manual trans, but I've accepted the fact that this just won't happen, not now, maybe never. I've been driving sticks since I was eight or so and I'm 59 now. Perhaps this is why I have multiple cars, with different types of setups.

The 2017 Giulia is a saloon. No matter how much performance AR puts into it, no matter how many upgrades the consumer (that's you, the reader) adds to it, it will still be a SALOON. It's a luxury car. Think in terms of opera car.

Alfa Romeo is in financial straights. They need the Giulia and the Stelvio to reach as many consumers as possible if they want to stay in business. The six-on-the-floor won't entice the masses. 90% of the consumers want an automatic transmission. They don't want to be engaged in the act of driving.

  • Now, in my case, I've got a 240z with a stick. It's my dedicated track car.
  • I've got my 4C with a dual clutch paddle shift. She's my daily driver. Think in terms of street legal race car.
  • We, my wife and I, share a 2017 Giulia Ti Q2. Even if it was available with a stick, my wife won't/can't drive a stick. In order to share this car, it must be auto-shift.
  • My wife has her Fiat 500 C as her daily driver. 100 hp w/auto. Bah. Not for me, but perfect for her.
  • An ugly old work truck when I want to haul stuff.

Our use with our Giulia will be somewhat limited and absolutely shared. For us, she (the Giulia) will be more of a GT (Grand Touring) car than anything else. She's big enough that we can take our luggage with us. She's fast and responsive with plenty of reserved power for passing on the uphill. She's nimble enough to go zipping through the winding mountain passes with ease and confidence. And since none of our other cars can comfortably hold more than two, well, that's what the extra doors are all about.

I realize that not everybody is in a position to have a car for every occasion. If I was in a position where I could only have one car, and that car had to be multi-functioning, I'd probably pick the Giulia and start modifying it. Actually, I have been in this singular position in my past life. I found that the now extinct station wagon made for the best one-car-fits-all.
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post #49 of 884 (permalink) Old 06-04-2017, 12:26 PM
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Hah, its interesting that the oldest guy here, me, wants the most modern solutions! I respect anybodys choice of car type as their own Choice, no comment on that, however I have not seen any tester like the manual transmission. so that could be a good incentive to try it first before committing!

By the way I think Chris Harris is a brilliant car tester, enthusiastic and knowledgeable, and loves Alfa. So I think that previous sour comment falls to the ground as insignificant! Grow up guys!

With regards to the stick shift on the Q RHD version, GB definitely will only market the paddle shift version. Checked also South Africa but even as their sales info says they have manual transmission, in a test here they are also telling that the paddle shift version will be marketed.
So maybe it could be cleared what is actually sold there!

Here a S.A. test of the Quadrifoglio manual LHD version.

[Updated] Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio (2016) First Drive - Cars.co.za

Here SA RHD brochure on the gearbox: It says manual, but not sure its correct!

Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio | Sports Cars | Alfa Romeo ZA

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Ciao Chaps,

Please note that you're still missing the point of this thread!
I have multiple cars and they're all manuals, but who really cares.....absolutely no one, plus don't care what peoples preferences are, or what testers and journos say.

I'm trying to assist AR in determining how many buyers like me are holding off buying a Giulia because they want a manual and couldn't care what's it's like because we just want a manual.

Note that I'm talking about the minority which still makes up the numbers, and keep in mind that 5% is still a big number. Also note that it's not like AR haven't produced the manual, it's already being produced currently which would suit all variants.

I hope we can remain on point.

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I mean, really ALFA ROMEO! You've got the darned manual already. Just built a few and send then over here. They will sell.
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I personally would choose the manual version unless the manual was incredibly awful (which I can`t believe) Quite honestly for a road car who cares if the car is slower by two poofteenths of a second to 100kph. It is the shear pleasure of changing gears manually that I like, otherwise you may as well sit in front of a video game and "E-Drive" the car. In fact if you think about it really the car is too fast for the road anyway nowadays. I wonder how many are going to kill themselves with the fastest versions as they drive well beyond their capabilities after all we would all be tempted to try full wack sometime wouldn`t we otherwise what`s the point of one? I`m one of those owners who get as much pleasure changing gear in our `63 Fiat 500 (non synchro box) as our Ferrari with usual gated shift which is not easy to master - try letting someone else drive either of these cars - we had to stop one motoring journalist. It is all about feel, a totally tactile experience and sound which makes a car stand out and lets face it all it takes is another manufacturer to introduce a revised car or new model with more computing power to make a faster better handling car which then wins over the fickle journalists and public. Even though I can afford one I don`t think I`ll be lining up but if I did it would be manual.

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I mean, really ALFA ROMEO! You've got the darned manual already. Just built a few and send then over here. They will sell.
This.

It is not like we are talking about Honda or Nissan, etc. but Alfa [email protected]! supposed to be a true drivers car (a becoming very old fashioned concept I guess) ... out of all manufacturers this is the one that should always have a manual car as a purchasing option, even if GM (shudder) made the gearbox.
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I want to add some data, sales data. Let's use Italy as a example.
May 2017. Total sales 1409 = Giulia 1374 + QV 35.
I think we can compare US and Italian sales.

So we are talking about 400 QV per year in US. Let's say that sales of manual version might be about 10%, 40 cars per year. Giula life span is about 6-7 years.
So, we are talking about maximum 300-400 cars. Cars that require service network, inventory of spare parts, employee trainings, promo materials etc..


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Max,

I know that out of all places in the world, Americans are supposedly a fan of automatic transmissions, but I believe as we are talking about Alfisti buying QV's your 10% is low. If it was offered it would sell and sell well, and no Alfisti owner would complain about the gear change ... heck some bought the 159 with a GM, of course crap, gearbox. Personally I won't touch a 159 because I know it is largely a GM car that Alfa have tried to improve.

What concerns me the most, and gee I'm glad I don't live over there and had to suffer this drought of my favourite car brand, is that the people that are selling the car don't appear to understand what they are selling or who they are selling to. Alfisti are considerably more passionate about their cars than most other car people, and are well and truly prepared to suffer all sorts of issues, mocking from others, etc. to own an Alfa ... my family, for example, have laughed at me for over 30 years now
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Alfa Romeo is in financial straights. They need the Giulia and the Stelvio to reach as many consumers as possible if they want to stay in business. The six-on-the-floor won't entice the masses. 90% of the consumers want an automatic transmission. They don't want to be engaged in the act of driving.
This is absolutely spot on. Alfa will cease as a brand if the Giulia and Stevlio fail. Being Italian myself, I don't want to see that happen. Of course, the majority of people in the USA won't bother with a manual for any car (yes, even an Alfa). And Alfa has to appeal to more than just the old Alfisti who currently have old Alfa's (like me). They need to sell at bare minimum 15,000-20,000 cars PER YEAR here. If every single person registered to the ALFABB forum bought one, it'd be a drop in the bucket to that number. They need to win over people currently buying BMW, Audi, MB, and even Infiniti and Lexus. I know this is a generalization, but most people who buy those cars just want them as a status symbol that has some performance, and couldn't care less about a manual transmission.

That being said, making a manual QV available as a special order is no skin off Alfa's nose. They can stock all automatics and for those of us who want a stick shift, we can just order it and wait for it to arrive.
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...... They need to sell at bare minimum 15,000-20,000 cars PER YEAR here.....
Alfa Romeo Brand Sales Figures - GOOD CAR BAD CAR

It's looking better, and MAY be possible but the advertising is going to have to keep up.
No one has any idea what an Alfa Romeo is...
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Totally agree. Every time I turn on the TV i see BMW, Audi, MB commercials. Alfa? Once in a while. It seems they haven't learned the lessons of 20-30 years ago. Brand recognition, people!

And Fiat appears to have completely given up advertising for the 500. The 124 gets very l ittle.
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15-20000 is a good number, they will sell more. New models are coming, E-SUV is already confirmed for 2018, will be built at Grugliasco, the same platform as Levante has. As we all know it is good developed Chrysler LX platform, based on Mercedes E. Hope Alfa will have own engines, not modified Pentastar from Maserati.

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I'd like to see a new Giulietta that is a slightly lower price point. Think premium compact like a VW GTI, or Mini Cooper S. I have a sneaky suspicion they'd sell a bunch of those here, regardless of transmission.

And, they'd introduce the brand to some younger people (who have less money, for now) and get them to be repeat customers.

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