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If you want to drive a new Alfa you will have to change your mind about the suitability of the automatic transmission, no matter which model appeals to you.
Why I don't own a 166, even though I think it is probably the best saloon car from a styling point of view ever designed (and yes I consider a 166 better looking to a 156) ... but Australia only imported automatic 166's, no thanks.

Rather own a completely reliable and cheap to service Toyota/Nissan if I have to go automatic. Even when we bought a second hand (I rarely buy new cars, waste of money) Toyota Tarago (a people mover) I dragged my wife to many car yards before giving up on a manual as it was so rare that an automatic it had to be. That was a great car, even though it was automatic, but not remotely a drivers car just transport.
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My point all along has been to encourage potential owners of a Giulia to more carefully consider why they might think they want a manual shift especially if the absence of that option may lead them to reject buying the car entirely.
@Michael Smith. Have you thought for just for a second, that some folks might actually like a manual gearbox and that no amount of "persuasion" is going to change their minds?

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The Giulia is a truly remarkable high performance car not hindered by the transmission in any respect at all. If you want to drive a new Alfa you will have to change your mind about the suitability of the automatic transmission, no matter which model appeals to you.
So, why don't you have one?
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If just one reader changes his or her mind about buying a Giulia despite the limitation of transmission choice my posts will have been useful enough to make the effort worthwhile to me.

We decided against buying a Giulia because it is too big for our needs. This results from the frankly absurd collision protection now mandatory for all passenger cars (but not for all trucks, SUVS or crossovers).

The same sized car on the inside (the Giulia is a lot smaller inside than the 164 for example) is much, much larger on the outside than it used to be.

Had FCA chosen to build a Giulietta sized Giulia we would have bought one. Instead the only car currently available was a new four door Mini. It is symptomatic of the problems created by our current obsession with passive safety that this latest Mini is mini in name only.

This issue should be the main concern for car enthusiasts. Ridiculously demanding passive safety regulations are predicated on the belief that severe accidents are inevitable. This is patently untrue. Almost all performance cars are now seriously handicapped by these rules. Lotus, Renault Alpine and Alfa all build just one truly light sportscar. Porsche's lightest sportscars weigh more than 1300 kg. That's nearly 3,000 lbs of steel to carry only two people. All other cars are much much heavier than they need to be. (For the truly picky I advise that a Smart car isn't, smart or a car).

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The same sized car on the inside (the Giulia is a lot smaller inside than the 164 for example) is much, much larger on the outside than it used to be.
So, it's ok for you to purchase another make and model of car based on size, but it's not ok for one of us not to buy an Alfa based on a a feature we don't like. Is that right?

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"This issue should be the main concern for car enthusiasts. Ridiculously demanding passive safety regulations are predicated on the belief that severe accidents are inevitable. This is patently untrue. Almost all performance cars are now seriously handicapped by these rules. Lotus, Renault Alpine and Alfa all build just one truly light sportscar. Porsche's lightest sportscars weigh more than 1300 kg. That's nearly 3,000 lbs of steel to carry only two people. All other cars are much much heavier than they need to be."

Richard Foster saw it coming, with a few embellishments (the inspiration for Rush's "Red Barchetta")...

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Well I held out for almost two years on buying a new Giulia due to the gearbox issue. I did go spend 8 weeks in Napoli this summer though, which is right next to the Cassino plant. I saw at LEAST one Giulia every day, but usually two or three. The looks grew on me until I couldn't resist anymore. I own 8 cars, and 7 are manual shift and I am extremely pleased with the automatic on the new Giulia. In dynamic mode it seems to be in the gear I would choose 90% of the time, which is tremendous for a computerized shifter. It even holds gears going into corners to help you engine brake and the kickdown is lightning fast. I'm going to be adding paddle shifters as soon as I can find someone with the Leonardo software to activate them. To Ossodiseppia, it is perfectly okay for you to not buy the car based on the gearbox, but do try it out and see what you think. I would consider myself to be the utmost of purists when it comes to shifting for myself, but the new Giulia was a big surprise and I absolutely love the car even on my backroads drive into work each day. (Not to mention this is the first car I have ever bought that my wife is genuinely excited about).
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Well I held out for almost two years on buying a new Giulia due to the gearbox issue. I did go spend 8 weeks in Napoli this summer though, which is right next to the Cassino plant. I saw at LEAST one Giulia every day, but usually two or three. The looks grew on me until I couldn't resist anymore. I own 8 cars, and 7 are manual shift and I am extremely pleased with the automatic on the new Giulia. In dynamic mode it seems to be in the gear I would choose 90% of the time, which is tremendous for a computerized shifter. It even holds gears going into corners to help you engine brake and the kickdown is lightning fast. I'm going to be adding paddle shifters as soon as I can find someone with the Leonardo software to activate them. To Ossodiseppia, it is perfectly okay for you to not buy the car based on the gearbox, but do try it out and see what you think. I would consider myself to be the utmost of purists when it comes to shifting for myself, but the new Giulia was a big surprise and I absolutely love the car even on my backroads drive into work each day. (Not to mention this is the first car I have ever bought that my wife is genuinely excited about).
... but if the FCA imported the manual version you would have bought the manual and would then be posting on how great the gear change is, etc.

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I don’t think that argument works Pete. FCA didn’t import them and he didn’t buy one. It’s a “what if?” situation like what if I’d chosen a different path in life. Circumstances lead to him buying a car he loves. That’s how life often works.

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The looks grew on me until I couldn't resist anymore. I own 8 cars, and 7 are manual shift and I am extremely pleased with the automatic on the new Giulia.
Congratulations Alfisti164l

Note that itís human nature to just buckle to commercial limitations and make compromises in life, no drama.
Iíve driven the new Giulia several times and as in my original post said that itís awesome, but iím not going to compromise as there are still many brands that still produce manuals for the drivers that want one.

Itís squarely on FCA that if they want my money theyíll have to produce a manual version Alfa, itís that simple.

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UOTE=Sketchl;8308116]Congratulations Alfisti164l

Note that it’s human nature to just buckle to commercial limitations and make compromises in life, no drama.
I’ve driven the new Giulia several times and as in my original post said that it’s awesome, but i’m not going to compromise as there are still many brands that still produce manuals for the drivers that want one.

It’s squarely on FCA that if they want my money they’ll have to produce a manual version Alfa, it’s that simple.

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Alfa makes manual Giulia, for the different markets. I would not blame FCA, I would blame 92% of customers in your country that prefer automatic in this class. There is no any reason to design, make and homologate Giulia with manual gearbox for such a niche market as Australia.


368 cars has been sold in Australia in 7 month of 2018. Do you think if manual was available this number would be 1000? No, because in Australia only 8-9% cars have manual gearbox. Sergio, do you think should be a reason to design such a car for hypothetical 50 units of sales per year?

About USA/Canada. 7220+349 = 7569 cars in 7 month. Fewer than 3 percent of cars sold in the U.S. these days have stick shifts. It means Giulia in manual version can be sold in 390 units per year. Three hundred ninety cars for North American car market. Does anyone from adepts of manual here thought about these numbers? Does it make any sense to design, certify and promote a car that can be sold in 390 units per year?

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I don’t think that argument works Pete. FCA didn’t import them and he didn’t buy one. It’s a “what if?” situation like what if I’d chosen a different path in life. Circumstances lead to him buying a car he loves. That’s how life often works.
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British colonies still drive on the left hand side of the road: UK, India, Southern Africa, Australia and Japan of course (approx 2.77 billion people!) I wouldn't class as small market if you had half a marketing degree......
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British colonies still drive on the left hand side of the road: UK, India, Southern Africa and Australia of course (approx 2.77 billion people!)
All of these countries has own standards, cars should be certified, crash tested, etc... FCA should certify every model, not a family of cars.
FYI, 7 month sales in UK - 1164, Australia - 768, Hong Kong - 3, Ireland - 35, Japan - 890, New Zealand - 45, South Africa - 18. Total = 2923 cars in 7 month. Lets say the share of manual cars is 8%. Again we are talking about 400 cars in year for approx 2.77 billion people.

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Well I held out for almost two years on buying a new Giulia due to the gearbox issue. I did go spend 8 weeks in Napoli this summer though, which is right next to the Cassino plant. I saw at LEAST one Giulia every day, but usually two or three. The looks grew on me until I couldn't resist anymore. I own 8 cars, and 7 are manual shift and I am extremely pleased with the automatic on the new Giulia. In dynamic mode it seems to be in the gear I would choose 90% of the time, which is tremendous for a computerized shifter. It even holds gears going into corners to help you engine brake and the kickdown is lightning fast. I'm going to be adding paddle shifters as soon as I can find someone with the Leonardo software to activate them. To Ossodiseppia, it is perfectly okay for you to not buy the car based on the gearbox, but do try it out and see what you think. I would consider myself to be the utmost of purists when it comes to shifting for myself, but the new Giulia was a big surprise and I absolutely love the car even on my backroads drive into work each day. (Not to mention this is the first car I have ever bought that my wife is genuinely excited about).
@alfisti164l, my fetish is a station wagon. I dumped my 2007 Audi Avant with an MT6 this past November and picked up a 2018 Allroad. I really thought I could get used to the gearbox, but I am struggling with it. It also has paddle shifts. I have driven it in all modes and just can't seem to get used to it. I think the gearbox is just as high tech as that which is in the Giulia, but I am just really turned off with it. This is my first automatic.

I just don't see the manufacturers making a manual gear box for much longer. Demand is decreasing and safety regulations are increasing. Remember, in the US, both the automatic and manual versions of the car have to be crash tested. This adds to the costs of production and most companies can't justify the expense just to sell a few cars.

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