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I would only ever consider a new Giulia if it had a manual 6 speed gearbox. I've never owned an automatic except for my pickup truck, and I don't get why anyone would bother with paddles on an automatic.
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I test drove the new Giulia, and as far as the transmission was concerned, it was no different than our rental Chevy, except for having the flappy paddles, which I decided could be considered unneeded. In other words, meh.

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I do not know about plans of making Alfa Romeo with manual in a future. MiTo will die soon as a mistake. C-SUV will not have manual gearbox with good engines. E-SUV and Stelvio will never get gear stick. Next Giulietta? There is no chance to see this car in North America. New Specialty (6C)? NO, never get a manual. Giulia Coupe will have the same mechanical part as Giulia. 4C second series? No chance at all.

So let's consider the brand has already died for "pure" Alfisti?

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Automatic by Aisin. Manual, M40, were taken from Opel Vectra. Engines of 159 were GM units with Alfa Romeo-FIAT heads.

156 had cast iron FIAT engine block with Alfa head. Manual gearboxes were FIAT and Q-system supplied by Aisin.
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156 had cast iron FIAT engine block with Alfa head. Manual gearboxes were FIAT and Q-system supplied by Aisin.
except v6
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Next time I go to Italy (maybe later this year), I may try to rent a diesel Giulia with manual just to see how it is.
And you will be disappointed compared to the AT gearbox.

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Here in Norway you can choose LHD Giulia Q With 6 speed manual or 8 speed Automatic. Although initially I wanted the manual, I think I now would have the paddleshift 8 speed because its quicker shift function. Having shifted manually a lifetime its time to advance to more modern solutions. Here Chris Harris´experience with the manual shift: not impressed at all!




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First of all, no one wants a car with a crummy manual transmission. If Fiat/Alfa can't get it right with the Giulia, then I most likely wouldn't want it either. As for the attributes of the automatic, it provides super quick automatic shifting for those who want that, but doesn't provide the physical interaction/brain sensations others like.

Some like classical music, others like hip hop, but either isn't necessarily the chosen cup of tea for all. One might argue that hip hop is more modern, but that doesn't necessarily mean it should be the chosen style of music for all, as the automatic transmission fans seem to think a car transmission should be. There are aspects to be appreciated for both styles/designs.

Me, I don't see a Giulia in our future. Too much money for something I will not really appreciate, since I don't drive on the street in a manner which would take advantage of the one/single positive aspect of the automatic, quick shifting sans meaningful driver interaction.

"So let's consider the brand has already died for "pure" Alfisti?"

Maybe so.

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With so few cars makers offering manual gearboxes, Alfa would have done better to cater to the enthusiast. Unlike German auto makers whose buyer is mainly driven by brand status, Alfa Romeo can't afford to neglect their core customer base. They should offer a manual gearbox and aim it at those who can't get it from the German brands.
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First of all, no one wants a car with a crummy manual transmission. If Fiat/Alfa can't get it right with the Giulia, then I most likely wouldn't want it either. As for the attributes of the automatic, it provides super quick automatic shifting for those who want that, but doesn't provide the physical interaction/brain sensations others like.

Some like classical music, others like hip hop, but either isn't necessarily the chosen cup of tea for all. One might argue that hip hop is more modern, but that doesn't necessarily mean it should be the chosen style of music for all, as the automatic transmission fans seem to think a car transmission should be. There are aspects to be appreciated for both styles/designs.

Me, I don't see a Giulia in our future. Too much money for something I will not really appreciate, since I don't drive on the street in a manner which would take advantage of the one/single positive aspect of the automatic, quick shifting sans meaningful driver interaction.

"So let's consider the brand has already died for "pure" Alfisti?"

Maybe so.
When BMW uses Getrag and ZF journalists tell us it is a perfect combination. When the same components appear in Alfa journalists try to convince us the gearboxes are awful...
Giulia has the same manual gearbox as BMW

Regarding QV. How sweet should be the gearbox in 600Nm car? Light clutch and precise shifts? It is just impossible to create in my opinion.
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With so few cars makers offering manual gearboxes, Alfa would have done better to cater to the enthusiast. Unlike German auto makers whose buyer is mainly driven by brand status, Alfa Romeo can't afford to neglect their core customer base. They should offer a manual gearbox and aim it at those who can't get it from the German brands.
Let's be honest. Sorry for the question. How old are you?
As I understand typical Giulia buyer is 40-50 years old. Perhaps you are not in target group Different generations want different gadgets.

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"Different generations want different gadgets"

Lol, thus the addiction to smart phones by the younger set, whereas I know how to live without one.

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Paddles with a DCT do provide the sensations, not quite the same as a clutch, but another type of game that is pretty dam satisfying. Paddles with an auto have never provided much of a thrill at all of me. I have not driven the GQ.

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With the paddle shift you can shift as fast or as slow you wish, dont have to be a racedrive every time!

However if you want to shift fast just see Fabio Francia taking the car to Nürburgring! Almost flying off a couple of places, but main impression is how much more effective paddle shift is compared to stick shift! Just enjoy the ride which most of would not dare!
Objective of the ride was to beat Porsche Panamera´s time on the ring.

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Changing gear utilising the paddles when the car is an automatic is the ultimate definition of being a wanker. Put the thing in D and just drive the flipping car. You have bought an automatic, let the car's computer do the changes and hope you have the coordination left to steer, and push a couple of pedals.

Honestly every automatic I have driven with the ability to manual shift are just a joke ... I happily put them in D, open my window, put my arm up on the door and cruise on by.

I'm 49 years old, I get the reason for buying an automatic but will never get the want for a ROAD car to have paddles. Race car yes but gee so many of us laugh at young boys ricing up their first cars and then buy a ROAD car with paddle shift and for some reason want to be taken seriously ... ? ... you are a being a bigger ricer because you have the funds and maturity to do it properly and yet still worry about how fast your gear changes are as you go up to the local shop to get a loaf of bread .... hahahahahahahahah ... do you put a replica of Michael Schumacher's helmet on too to complete the "I am a tool" look?

And yes every time I blip on a down change with my 156v6, I'm being a tool too
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