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post #61 of 360 (permalink) Old 03-31-2017, 09:12 AM
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Immaterial if the car is already approved?

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Model mix in Europe (continental), January-March 2017. We can notice ratio of cars with manual/auto

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Some of that reflects what Fiat is willing to offer in the various markets.

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The gas engine chart appears to be auto vs auto. I can understand why people don't want manual diesels. For one, people aren't buying diesels for the driving engagement. For another, the narrow power band of a diesel makes the manual rather annoying.
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Getting back I wonder how hard a conversion would be

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" For one, people aren't buying diesels for the driving engagement"

True enough, although once we got used to the diesel Giulietta with the 6 speed manual, it was fun to drive, since it had so much grunt at lower rpms. Have to admit, though, we kept bouncing the rpms off the limiter as we raced on some back roads, and used 6th gear only once on a deserted autostrada in the south.

You do have to get used to using the gearbox a little differently, still...

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Getting back I wonder how hard a conversion would be
Software is usually a big problem on modern cars.

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Software is usually a big problem on modern cars.

Having done a lot of conversions in the past I don't think its that big of a deal but being Alfa probably a lot more involved lol.

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The gas engine chart appears to be auto vs auto.
It is just because there is no version for mainstream buyers with gas engine and manual transmission. All gas versions (except QV) have automatic gearbox.
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Having done a lot of conversions in the past I don't think its that big of a deal but being Alfa probably a lot more involved lol.
Have you done them on cars made in the last few years though? The issue on a lot of newer cars is that the main ECU controls the transmission, and will throw all sorts of faults if it doesn't "see" a transmission there. And it may not just be an idiot light- the engine and transmission are programmed to work together, and if the ECU isn't seeing the shift points, the engine tune might not be right.

The ECU will be VIN coded, which means you can't just swap in a manual ECU and expect it to work without access to factory flash tools. On other late-model cars where manual swaps have been done, people have rigged up various hacks to try to get the ECU to think the auto transmission is still there, but it's often not OEM perfect.

None of it is to say it's necessarily impossible, but not exactly a weekend project for most.

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Yea but all simple cars really. I am sure it something a alfa specialist will definitely have to do and not a weekend warrior.

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It is just because there is no version for mainstream buyers with gas engine and manual transmission. All gas versions (except QV) have automatic gearbox.
This is even more disappointing since no importation from Europe of a gas/manual car is even possible.
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Well, so much for that. When the time comes to buy a newer/new car, I doubt an Alfa will be it.

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the same situation in the uk with no manual offered. However every time I spoke to a sales guy at an alfa dealership they emphasised the "ferrari" engine of the quadrifoglio and I guess since Ferrari had ceased to develop manual gearboxes anymore FCA just wished to mirror the things being done at Ferrari. Too bad.
The manual box did not have great reviews at all compared with the paddle shift box, but the commercial reason seems to be paramount since
takeup of manual cars was I guess perceived to be poor. FCA does not have the funding of the German marques.
Alfa are targeting the BMW/AUDI/Mercedes buyers rather than catering for traditional enthusiasts who value feel and control over lap times or traffic driving.
FCA wish a successful business and think they are giving the majority what it wants whilst ignoring the small minority who wish Alfa's with more "differentness" in control and spirit than German cars and other sporting cars. Fair enough.
Alfa Romeo one has to remember is now just a "brand" of FCA, not a marque so it has to use the parts that FIat or Ferrari can give it and their philosophy too which has yet to impress me.
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Alfa Romeo one has to remember is now just a "brand" of FCA, not a marque so it has to use the parts that FIat or Ferrari can give it and their philosophy too which has yet to impress me.
Exactly. The Alfa of today is not the Alfa of yesteryear. That company would give us a manual transmission as at least as a special order. But, then again, that company also went bankrupt and had to be saved by Fiat (despite having made some truly great cars, even towards the end).

Though I wish FCA would realize that being just a little bit different is really the only advantage they have as the differential in quality (or, more importantly, the perception of difference in quality) between them and the other players is a black eye for FCA.
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