Originally Posted by jthames
I don't know anything about/never heard of Mr. Kito, but Group2 is 110% totally legit, a very reputable, generally very high-end race shop in Seattle (Interbay). They are widely heralded as the best alignmnet shop in the area. If Group2 likes him, then he must know what he's doing. No affiliation, etc., just 2+2=4.
Joe English, the owner of Group2, is one of the nicest automotive guys I have ever had dealings with.
His daily driver is an Alfetta Sedan - need I say more?
(brace yourself - I feel a rant coming on)
Geeze, now MegaSquirt spam.
Oh well, I 'was' considering one in the future, but certainly not now, or if I did decide to get one, I'd get it from the source, not some fly by night arrangement looking to make a fast buck on a retail sale markup. [and others in the same vein]
I am not familiar with Mr. Kito, but I think that Megasquirt represents the greatest boon to out-of-the-mainstream types like ourselves since Romeo bought Alfa. Look guys, obviously you are not familiar with the Windows vs. Linux shakeout in the computer world. ("I'd get it from the source" - there is no "source" just like there is no "LINUX INC." listed on the NYSE) It is far from over, in fact it is not a bus. v. bus. shootout in the traditional sense, but the deal is that you can do all kinds of things with Linux that you can't even think about doing with Windows. But... you have to pay some people to help you. Or spend a very long time figuring it out for yourself. It's the same dern thing with MSq. I am telling you that for people like us, and for cars that you actually want to drive, it is the only sensible way to go. BUT you are going to have to get help. Over time as the knowledge grows it will become widely distributed, however along the way, people are going to have to get paid to develop it. Or you wait and wait. And miss out on the best running vintage Alfa you can imagine.
Think about it, for years Spica was regarded as the lump of metal from hell. Everybody yanked it and put on Webers. Now that Wes, and many others to a lesser degree, have taken the time, (paid for by customers, hello!), to decipher it's workings, it is finally understood for the beautiful engineering tour-de-force that it was all along. Megasquirt is next. People will help, and get paid for helping - get over it. In fact we need to find out who the good helpers are, patronize them, and then, (and only then), will some of our great "reporters" cover the Megasquirt installation "story". That's when we will see the pictures and instruction steps whose absence some are so presumptuously complaining about. That's when you will be able to, for less that a Wes Ingram pump rebuild, yank those #$&%**$&% Webers that some well-meaning, but clueless individual grafted in place of the original and sublime Spica, and get that engine purring. Only now it purrs when its warm and purrs when its cold and purrs when its been a year or two since it was first installed. (By the way, did you look at that torque curve among the [useless
Or you can maintain some rosy fiction that the bb is "pure" while you are looking for a pen to write your $2000 check to Microsoft, oops, I mean Electromotive.
So, Mr. Kito, I personally salute you! If you want to come here and brag that you are at the vanguard of the revolution, I don't blame you a bit. I would too, and will do so, when I do my first MSq install. (Bye-Bye Webers
). Then if anybody wants help to do their own, of course I will be glad to do whatever I can for them, within reason, just like everybody here has done for me. But that doesn't mean that I will come over and do the job for them. For that, they will pay, if I decide to make a business of it. It also probably doesn't mean that I will post copius detailed photos and ez step-by-steps. That's just not the way my cookie crumbles. But if somebody wants to come over and see how I did it, they can take all the pictures they want. If someone wants to copy my only-on-an-Alfa timing wheel set up, of course I will encourage them to do so. None of the stuff I am thinking about even exists yet. If Mr. Kito will develop it, I would be glad to buy the kit from him. Just like if I want to put in a quick and functional Linux I go buy Red Hat. Just like if I want a turbo on my engine with equal length runners on the exhaust manifold, I can learn how to run CAD system, take some welding classes, and a couple of years later I have my headers, OR, I give Jim Steck a call, (and a couple of years later I have my headers
Just kidding Jim.).
Come on guys, Alfa was bought by Romeo to run as a business. In fact, I am pretty sure he made some bank on the deal, at least enough to keep it going and hopeful of more. Along the way a great enterprise got it's start, something for which we are all very grateful. The reason that now Alfa is basically gone is that the Italian government ran the business into the ground and then sold the dregs to Fiat. If instead there had been some stalwart like Enzo to run Alfa, THE BUSINESS, we could be thumbing our noses at the BMW dealer as we pull in to the Alfa lot to take a test drive of the latest model. (Not,
) So please keep the concept of business in perspective, OK.
(OK, sound the all clear)
Regards to all and thanks for letting me vent,